posted Nov 29, 2008

So when it matters Gerrard plays better.


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Not at Euro 2004 he did not. Not during the world cup qualifiers either which on both occasions Lampard deliverd when it mattered and Gerrard didn't.

If you think Gerrard delivered in the world cup itself then I think I will leave this discussion now and find someone who has the intelligence and football knowledge for a decent chat about the beautiful game.

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posted Nov 29, 2008

Gerrard played better with Barry fact.

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Fact? What fact?

I saw that partnership developing in Moscow and saw it get totally overrun. The worst midfield performance in a decade.

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how was it that was not barry and Gerrard it was Lampard and Gerrard I think.



so you think Gerrard should be on Liverpool's bench may days you are an idiot . His best place CM and being more attacking. He has played in this role 5 times most of the time he has been forced to sit back and let Lampard attack but Lampard has never had to do this.


I never said he was great I said he was better then Lampard.

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posted Nov 29, 2008

Chelsea logic (U2465407)

In euro 2004 Lampard did not play well either so that is again a flaw in your view. And qualifiers are not a big stage my god we qualified through sven when we played poor. I mean when it is a champion league final and they lead the team to victory. Gerrard has performed better more often when it matters. He has been better at euro 2004 and the world cup then Lampard was not saying he was good but he was better then Lampard

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posted Nov 29, 2008

He has been better at euro 2004 and the world cup then Lampard

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There's no hope for some people. I think I'd better go and find an intelligent adult to talk to.

If you think Gerrard played better than Lampard at Euro 2004 then there's no point in discussing anything else with you is there?

Why make things up to support your opinion? Surely that gives you no credibility whatsoever.

Continue collecting your Gerrard stickers mate

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posted Nov 29, 2008

comment by Chelsea logic (U2465407)

posted 2 Minutes Ago

He has been better at euro 2004 and the world cup then Lampard

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doh

There's no hope for some people. I think I'd better go and find an intelligent adult to talk to.

If you think Gerrard played better than Lampard at Euro 2004 then there's no point in discussing anything else with you is there?

Why make things up to support your opinion? Surely that gives you no credibility whatsoever.

Continue collecting your Gerrard stickers mate

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on ei od not collect stickers and go collect Lmaprad ones. I sa wthat tourenment where if I was right Gerrard was holding again and to be fair both were rubbish but Gerrard was better as he was coping with playing in a role that he can not do holding so that is why he was better but both were awful. I am glad you are leaving you the 3rd dumbest person here behind 5tourenmentflop and some Newcastle fan who I just spoke to.

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posted Nov 29, 2008

on ei od not collect stickers and go collect Lmaprad ones. I sa wthat tourenment where if I was right Gerrard was holding again and to be fair both were rubbish but Gerrard was better as he was coping with playing in a role that he can not do holding so that is why he was better but both were awful. I am glad you are leaving you the 3rd dumbest person here behind 5tourenmentflop and some Newcastle fan who I just spoke to.

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What am I..talking to a 3 year old kid or something?

They should make it an offence for people with a key board who cannot string a cohesive sentence together.

And you call me dumb

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posted Nov 29, 2008

comment by Chelsea logic (U2465407)

posted 6 Minutes Ago

on ei od not collect stickers and go collect Lmaprad ones. I sa wthat tourenment where if I was right Gerrard was holding again and to be fair both were rubbish but Gerrard was better as he was coping with playing in a role that he can not do holding so that is why he was better but both were awful. I am glad you are leaving you the 3rd dumbest person here behind 5tourenmentflop and some Newcastle fan who I just spoke to.

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What am I..talking to a 3 year old kid or something?

They should make it an offence for people with a key board who cannot string a cohesive sentence together.

And you call me dumblaugh

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so cause I made a spelling error I should be banned well that makes you stupid I thought you were going away bye bye. Just cause I have trouble spelling and make a couple of mistakes does not make me dumb. i ma a lot smarter then you.

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posted Nov 29, 2008

so cause I made a spelling error I should be banned well that makes you stupid I thought you were going away bye bye. Just cause I have trouble spelling and make a couple of mistakes does not make me dumb. i ma a lot smarter then you.

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Are you sure you're not Gerrard in disguise?

Now that last post is what I call egotistical dumbness

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posted Nov 29, 2008

I dont speak for other LFC fans and a number of them dont speak for me but club and country appeal to me. It's the player's call in the end. And where criticism has reared up, the only answer is in the football. Commenting back on things said just give a signal for words to be taken out of context, slightly embellished here or there (or here and there), while the football only has one language, one vision, and leaves little to misinterpret.

If there is any sign of an ego, maybe that is how one flows. I've seen some egotistical players in front of me, little tricks whilst warming up, demanding the ball and moaning when they dont get it, and yet when they do they rather take on a man and show off instead of alternatively give-and-go or pass back and move into space to receive elsewhere. I think Gerrard aims to win and demands a level of performance every game, and for England he knows he has failed to raise to such a level sufficiently. Not much but enough to make a difference to that shown for club.

Does that warrant him being dropped? Well, when you win games, why break a winning side? Things are happening as you want them to. There's some harping about the performance of the Germany friendly, which I would take with a pinch of salt, but that also means there is more food for thought for Capello.

Now Capello was hot on proving Gerrard's injury, so you would think he is or should be keen to monitor those who were injured for the friendly a game or so away from it yet played the league game afterwards. The inuries concerned may have been not OK for that Wednesday but needed the rest in the week to recover sufficiently for the weekend games. That is for Capello to look into. But I think there are more players who currently appear ready and able to perform at international level, and that is the quality we should have for Capello to choose from.

Drop whoever, I say, in the name of raising England's profile, England's game, England's achievement (rally cry!)

My senses tell me Gerrard has passion for club and country. He and Lampard occupy the same space, two cowboys in the one town. It can work but if you leave them be, thinking they can gel because they are such excellent midfielders, and not plan strategically and intricately how and where they should play, then they're left to their own discretion and that's not worked sufficiently.

Gerrard is moved around as Lampard has been utilised for club solely from CM. He is versatile, played on the wings, played as the SS, so he is more of an option to move around than Lampard. But he has played so just for the interim, he prefers CM. Where he said he plays with Barry, he prefers Barry who will hang back and hold or interchange with him more fluently than Lampard.

Lampard prefers to attack and is use to that with the Chelsea system of a DCM. Liverpool would use Mascherano as the sole DCM which gave Gerrard the chance to cover back, whereas Lampard shares CM duties with another and doesn't have to rush back as much with the added DCM.

If you wish to take things said out of context, then you wont open up to another view to them.

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posted Nov 29, 2008

Liverbirdmate

A nice post.

The only discrepancy with it is your analysis that Lampard doesn't need to defend os much at Chelsea. Believe me, I've watched every game this season alone and Lampard has won his fair share of tackles and has had to play deeper on many of occasion. Yet my interest like yours is also for the best for my country. In recent games Lampard has been utilised more defensively and disciplined. On these occasions he has shown he is more than capable of doing it. The problem I see with Gerrard is that he is good at doing just one role but incapable of mixing it up. It's either all out attack or all out defend with him and not both. It's either he isn't positionally aware to perform both asks or he doesn't like doing both. Lampard for me is both more disciplined and aware to attack and defend. Whether he just times his runs better or is positionally brilliant I'm not too sure, perhaps both. Lampard can be trusted to do a job and can play both direct and reserved whilst with Gerrard it's either one or the other. That's how I see it although there is a big myth that Gerrard has played specifically in a holding role. I don't believe this is exactly true and if it were then he didn't do a good job. If he performed the holding role well then Lampard would have be able to get forward and do what he does best but he wasn't allowed was he? He had to mix up his misfield responsibilities more. SO did Gerrard sit and let Lampard get forward? I'd say they shared the roles myself. One sat and one went forward although on too many occasions there was a break down in communication because both decided to get forward. Out of them both Gerrard is the one who is more susceptible to unbalance the team with his persistence to roam.

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