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Should England have batted first?

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by JohnClement (U846732) 14 November 2008
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OK I know the match started at 9.00, but it is after all India not Derby. On a belter of a pitch shouldn't the maxim always be, win the toss and bat. Indian pitches always tend to get slower as a game goes on and harder to score from. Once again, I feel that the lack of overseas experience of the coach has had an impact, and the fear factor about Englands batting after the hammerings in Antigua and by Mumbai 2nd XI.

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comment by barkonk (U8909411)

posted Nov 15, 2008

In cricket you cant substitute.
People who follow cricket were heaping praises on Chanderpaul when he batted few times in pain and aslo scroed a century.

No one is saying the fact that Yuvi played through the barrier of pain.
I think if it was an English player, Agnew would have said the same

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posted Nov 15, 2008

Mr Agnew, how sick are you?!!

After that ultra-convincing thrashing the big piece of advice you have for KP is this?!
"Mind you, if I were Pietersen, I would have objected to the umpires' decision when, apparently oblivious to his injury, Yuvraj continued to smash the ball all over Rajkot."

How many runs did Yuvy made by running anyway?
Clearly he was battling pain while running and hitting and still stuck in their whereas lesser mortals would have "taken positives" and fled into the dressing room.

Shame on you.

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posted Nov 15, 2008

Interesting article, Aggers. I'm still unconvinced about Moores and the team management - as you point out, they should have spotted what was happening well before the Stanford game and done something about it.

Mind-you, I also find the way SA lost the ODIs very odd too, and do not believe for a minute that it reflected the true state of the England team's one day game.

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posted Nov 16, 2008

Let me take some of the comments from the renowned and erudite columnist, Mr. Jon Agnew:

"With matches coming along at such a rate now, there is plenty of scope to turn things around, but there is also a real danger that this tough schedule could contribute to a series of defeats." - This is one excuse that KP should know, to blame it on the schedule and long hops across India if they lose another 2-3 games on the trot. What a bunch of lazy fellows, they haven't played proper cricket in a long time and still feel the schedule is tight.

"Mind you, if I were Pietersen, I would have objected to the umpires' decision when, apparently oblivious to his injury, Yuvraj continued to smash the ball all over Rajkot." - You are not KP, and a mere columnist, so please keep that in context. You are only demeaning yourself and your organization by writing such comments.

Coming back to some other discussions on this thread - yes, England should have batted first. Australia batted all the times they won the toss the last time they played a 7 ODI series in India. Either way, they have shown in this game that they cannot bat to save their lives, and cannot bowl in the right line and length. The simplest thing that they can do, is field well and that too they do not throw themselves around on the field. How many balls have you seen go past fields and go for a 4?

I want to see this team thrashed 7-0 because that is their true standing in world cricket, at the bottom of the table.

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posted Nov 16, 2008

I want to see this team thrashed 7-0 because that is their true standing in world cricket, at the bottom of the table.
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Agree with the sentiment but india have already won one so they cannot possibly lose 7-0. doh

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posted Nov 16, 2008

wombletiltheend, my point is that it is England who deserve a 7-0 whippin'

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posted Nov 16, 2008

England would have more warm up matches,however the interest in 20 millions resulted in lack of focus in 50-50. Remember Eng vs SA 4-0 result. It was a same team.

It is just a start of series, blaim should be given after 3-4 matches as by that time one should expect Eng to get familier with conditions.

All team these days are playing more cricket, this therefore should not be a reson for loss.













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comment by svarada (U4777296)

posted Nov 16, 2008

Toss decision a tricky one for KP. In India, conditions can be helpful to bowlers early in the morning. But November is too early.

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posted Nov 16, 2008

In india a touring captain should bat first if he is unsure. Err of the side of caution, batting first is less risky as you should be able to tell if the pitch is going to do something mental.

If in doubt bat first. In india this should go to about 95% of the time.

KP won't be making same mistake in india again. He shouldn't believe the pitch curators either.

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posted Nov 16, 2008

No excuses can save England, ODI'swould be 7-0 or 6-1.

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