posted Nov 26, 2008

Winning tests is what a captain is appointed for. That is his job.
He lives and dies by winning and losing tests.
Some great players have tried to captain England and couldn`t cope.
Vaughan was an excellent captain...

Cricket is a game of stats...you have quoted Vaughans stats since his form has been poor(as happens with every player at some stage).
But you haven`t given me his stats as England captain. Think you`ll find its one of the best if not the best. (that is captains who actually captained for more than a match or two)

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posted Nov 26, 2008

He is a very good captain but unfortunatly he lacks the form to merit a place in the test XI. If he regained his form then yes but then again who would he replace? Collingwood?

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posted Nov 26, 2008

"But you haven`t given me his stats as England captain. Think you`ll find its one of the best if not the best. "

That's rubbish. Vaughan's performance as a batsman has gone south after he became captain. In fact he was retained in the side, specifically because of his so-called captaincy skills.

And his captaincy is also rated high because he played a large number of Tests against Bangladesh, New Zealand and the Windies.

Against the rest, he has a very poor captaincy record, having lost series to Pakistan, South Africa, India and Sri Lanka (twice, away).

So post captaincy, Vaughan has been poor both as a batsman as well as skipper.

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posted Nov 26, 2008

Vaughan was an innovative and fearless captain. He was brilliant.

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posted Nov 27, 2008

"So post captaincy, Vaughan has been poor both as a batsman as well as skipper".

That doesn`t really make any sense.

His record as a captain is as good as it gets.
Yes his batting suffered when he recieved the captaincy but the team won test matches.

And that is what its all about.

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posted Dec 1, 2008

"His record as a captain is as good as it gets."

NO. Only against the lowly BD, NZ and Windies. Against the rest Vaughan has led them to defeats against Sri Lanka, Pakistan, India, South Africa. Not a good record at all.

"Yes his batting suffered when he recieved the captaincy but the team won test matches."

Refer above. Only against the weak teams.

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posted Dec 1, 2008

His record as captain is superb. Unbeaten in Tests in 2004. beating South Africa away and Australia at home.

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posted Dec 1, 2008

"Against the rest Vaughan has led them to defeats against Sri Lanka, Pakistan, India, South Africa"

You seem to have forgotten the series win in South Africa and the Ashes win....

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posted Dec 10, 2008

whatever causes a player to permanently lose his touch,which you have to think is the case with Vaughan, it is very rare for it to return and there is no reason to believe it will in this case.

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posted Dec 10, 2008

I think he will.

I think once he's gotten over the captaincy thoughts he can just concentrate on batting and will return to form.

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