posted Oct 12, 2008

comment by Peet 'n' Blitz - The indoor cricket superstar! (U11322155)
posted 1 Minute Ago

"Gerrard Barry partnership - failed in Moscow miserably."

3-0 Russia at Wembley?

Lampard was just as poor as Gerrard was.

As I said before, Gerrard gave the ball away, Lampard gave the ball away. BOTH were poor.


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Ah 3-0 at Wembley.

A game where Barry shone, Heskey shone, SWP shone, J.Cole shone and Gerrard didn't!!!

Okay mate. If you think Gerrard was tops in this game then good for you. Who scored the goals and who made them? Not Gerrard!


Also you put some blame on Lampard in the Moscow defeat although Lampard came on for 10 minutes in a game already lost by captain uninspiring Gerrard and his sidekick Barry. In a game lacking balance, technical skill, passion and effort yet I suppose Lampard can take his fair share of blame for his 10 min run out

Now believe me and 90,000 fans at Wembley when I say this.....Gerrard gave away the ball more times than Lampard and Lampard had a hand in the first 2 goals. What was Gerrard's contribution? Go on tell me...






















































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posted Oct 12, 2008

Ah 3-0 at Wembley.

A game where Barry shone, Heskey shone, SWP shone, J.Cole shone and Gerrard didn't!!!

Okay mate. If you think Gerrard was tops in this game then good for you. Who scored the goals and who made them? Not Gerrard!


Also you put some blame on Lampard in the Moscow defeat although Lampard came on for 10 minutes in a game already lost by captain uninspiring Gerrard and his sidekick Barry. In a game lacking balance, technical skill, passion and effort yet I suppose Lampard can take his fair share of blame for his 10 min run out

Now believe me and 90,000 fans at Wembley when I say this.....Gerrard gave away the ball more times than Lampard and Lampard had a hand in the first 2 goals. What was Gerrard's contribution? Go on tell me...

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Dude, what are you talking about me saying Lampard was poor in Moscow? I never said anything about that.

Gerrard did give more balls away. But they were attacking balls. Lampard was maybe slightly better than Gerrard last night, but not by much.

I'm not putting Lampard down and he deserves to play because he hasn't done anything to deserve losing his place. But I don't like how people are saying Gerrard deserves to be dropped from the squad altogether.

Also, how many times has Lampard been played out of position for England?

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posted Oct 12, 2008

Also, how many times has Lampard been played out of position for England?

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Lampard is a central attacking player and will always be one. He has played this position all of his career. He is simply a specialist in such position.

You wouldn't ask a sparky to build a wall or a bricklayer to wire your house would you?

As for Gerrard he is simply a good versatile player across midfield. He started out as a right back, moved into defensive midfield and then progressed into a right sided midfield role, support striker and occasional attacking central role. He is a jack of all trades but master of none it seems. Every manager he has played under both Internationally and domestically has rotated his midfield position. That is FACT!

People keep moaning about Gerrard not playing in central midfield when it is not proven that it is his best position anyway.

I bet Liverpool fans didn't moan when Gerrard scored 23 goals for Liverpool when playing right midfield did they? Or last season when he had another great season behind Torres as a support striker?

Gerrard said something like he has only played 5 games in his favourite position for England. I suspect he was referring to centre midfield when the truth is he has played something like 40 games in the position.

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posted Oct 12, 2008

Playing a holding role for England is not his preferred position.

Gerrard plays his best football when he is playing a sort of free-flowing attacking-midfielder. Lampards exactly the same.

Scoring goals does not make you a better centre-midfieler. Even though he scored plenty of goals from right-mid he was no where near as influential.

Gerrard shouldn't pay the price for being versatile.

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posted Oct 12, 2008

Playing a holding role for England is not his preferred position.

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A survey was done recently which suggested Lampard covered more ground than Gerrard in England Internationals and surprise, surprise more centrally too.

It is Lampard who is struggling to get into games becuase he has to defend or sit deeper. It is Gerrard who is criticised for roaming out of position. This is how he is unbalancing the team....Gerrard's own admittance was that he needs a defensive player sitting behind him so that he can play his favourite game....box to box as he puts it.

This holding thing by Gerrard is pure speculation and that's all!

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posted Oct 12, 2008

Gerrard roaming is a good thing because it makes it harder work for defenders to pick him up. Problem is that no-one fills in behind him.

The whole England team is too stale and static. Not enough players interchange positions. When was the last time you saw a Right and left winger swap position?

All top Prem teams do it. So many times for Man U Ronaldo and whoever was on the opposite wing would swap throughout. Liverpool wingers do it. Chelsea midfielders are always interchanging. Arsenal are probably best at it. That's why they can break teams down so easily.

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posted Oct 12, 2008

comment by Peet 'n' Blitz - The indoor cricket superstar! (U11322155)
posted 2 Minutes Ago

Gerrard roaming is a good thing because it makes it harder work for defenders to pick him up. Problem is that no-one fills in behind him.


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Same can be said for Lampard.

Lampard has scored 155 goals compared to Gerrard's 100 goals remember so he is more of a goal threat.

Yet some could argue Gerrard's indisciplined roaming affecting Lampard's game. Gerrard was most probably asked to play a holding role so that Lampard could get about the pitch doing what he does for Chelsea but it failed because Gerrard didn't hold. That is the problem here. If they are too similar then we need to see who brings more to the game. On recent form alone Lampard leads the race, but people can't have it either way.

Gerrard is either not able to defend for others or he is simply not disciplined to do so. He's either holding or he isn't!

This is where the problems lie.

If Lampard had a player who did hold and let him play his game then I would be confident to say Lampard would be brilliant for England like he is for Chelsea on a consistent basis too.

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posted Oct 13, 2008

look put it simply, im a gerrard fan... i have nothin but respect for gerrard. he is a quality player and i agree with Peet 'n' Blitz - The indoor cricket superstar! England are far too static and we got an old school manager (im not criticisin) times have changed and the midfielders need to be a little more versatile IMO. at the end of the day, we can argue all we like it is the managers decision and unfortunately it seems we can not change that

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posted Oct 13, 2008

Ok, so neither performed at all against the weakest opposition England are likely to face in the next 5 years at least.

Surely this should signal they are both overrated and unlike other positions (full backs for example), England have an abundance of good midfield players that deserve a pop.

Playing out of position: Idiotic concept. Do me a favour, watch Arsenal's midfield against Porto and try to work out where Denilson, Fabregas ans Song were told was 'their' position.

Ditto Man U's midfield. Or Barcelona. Do you think Guardiola tells Hleb where he can and cannot run? When Owen Hargreaves played right wing in the Champions League final did he adapt or struggle? He adapted.

Great midfield players are flexible. End of.

The reason Stevie G and Frankie Lamps underachieve is lack of passion AND lack of skill, not one of the other.

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posted Oct 14, 2008

Snore,

this still going.

Everyone knows its time to ditch Gerrard and be done with it he was WOEFUL last time out for England

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