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by paul0 (U12877720) 02 October 2008
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I am normally very positive - however, I think this has been a very poor three match run for the blues (Carling Cup, Derby, Uefa). Not only have they lost all three, but they haven't, in my opinion, really looked like winning any of them either. Which is perhaps the most worrying thing of all.

Something isn't right with this great group of players, under such a great manager. I wouldn't be surprised by a 'by mutual agreement' announcement pretty soon ...

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posted Oct 3, 2008

Well, it's all over then. No surprises really, we're not quite good enough at the moment, and we haven't got the strength in depth. At least we won't be overstretched for the rest of the season! We'll just have to concentrate on pushing up the table and hope for a good FA Cup run.

The Moyes situation is infuriating. He is losing the hard-won respect of the fans. I'm sick of hearing "it will be sorted out soon". We heard that at the end of the last campaign, it was going to be sorted within the next few weeks; this has been repeated several times now, the last we heard was it should be sorted before the Derby game - but it wasn't. Apparently there is now some player unrest over the way it's dragging on - does anybody have any light to shed on this?

The same thing happened regarding the transfers: at the end of the last campaign Moyes made a big thing about buying players early in the close season to give them time to bed in, but what happens?: we panic buy right up to the transfer deadline YET AGAIN.

This just isn't good enough. Moyes has taken us a long way, and i'm not saying by any means that it's all his fault, who knows what's going on behind the scenes, but the bottom line is, he should have signed or walked by now. We are paying the price on the pitch in both Cup and Premiership competition by the failure on both counts, of not making new signings early, and not having a manager who has committed himself to the club. The way things are going, what are the chances of holding on to our class players such as Arteta and Cahill come the opening of the transfer window next summer?

The only way i can condone Moyes' behaviour is if, as has been rumoured, Everton have been in negotiations regarding a takeover bid and that, if successful, his offer would be improved, but he has been told not to comment on this in case it prejudiced the negotiations. Any observations anyone? I've heard rumours about some rich Indian guy?......

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posted Oct 3, 2008

As a Spurs supporter I feel sorry for Everton, you got by far the toughest draw out of any of the English teams and Standard would have easily beaten us, Villa or Pompey and as for City they would have been humiliated. As was said before Man City only got in the UEFA cup because they had the sixth best disciplinary record and the five above them had already qualified through merit and not the back door.

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posted Oct 3, 2008

"As was said before Man City only got in the UEFA cup because they had the sixth best disciplinary record and the five above them had already qualified through merit and not the back door."

Why lambast Man City being in the UEFA cup? Isnt being the sixth best behaved team merit in itself? The UEFA Cup is the least they have to be involved in if they are to attract the very players they mentioned, or any other European-renowned player.

Regardless how a team enters into a competition, it is within the requirements of the football authorities concerned. Unfortunately we are now one team down and understandably so. Everton can reach for higher heights but their focus needs to be adjusted and maintained right now. Moyes got them to where they are, playing European football and challenging in the end for a CL place. He can get them motivated again.

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posted Oct 3, 2008

comment by lonertje (U1778416)
posted 2 Hours Ago

I'm from Belgium and think that England, Germany, Spain, Italy and other top countrys have too much teams in the champions league.
It's better (and fair) that every country have 2 teams in the champions league.
The other teams can play in the Uefacup.

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And that's how it used to work. The European Cup was for the Domestic Champions and the European Cup Champions only. But they changed the competition to the "Champions League" where most of the teams in it are not Champions at all! Surely the old version was the Champions League and this new competition is the European Cup!

The "lesser" clubs have a difficult route to the group stages and that's how UEFA want it, to filter them out. How are Liverpool a seeded team when they finish 4th in their league and have to qualify for the group stages? How have Man Utd been a seeded team every season despite not making the last 8 for 3 consecutive seasons and having won the Premiershi ponce in 5 seasons? In fact they didn't get out of the group stage 1 season.

The reason this has all come about is nothing to do with football, it's to do with generating vast amounts of money for UEFA and the major football clubs of Europe. This is in an attempt to avoid a European Super League. UEFA will fiddle things however they can to ensure the majority of the big clubs get through to the group stages, so going backwards to giving the "lesser" countries more places and the "main" countries less places just isn't going to happen.

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posted Oct 3, 2008

Moyes always questions the referee there isn't a game that goes by where he doesn't.

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posted Oct 3, 2008

It does seem rather harsh that you fight a whole season to get into the top 5 to play in the UEFA cup and you get drawn against a cast off team from the Champions League, surely these teams should have been drawn against the likes of Man City or any other side who have been awarded the place through the fair play. The UEFA cup will be a lot worse off for teams like Everton not being involved. Having said that the Standard L. should do well in the competition, they had some very good players. Just shows how far behind Everton are to overhauling Liverpool in the league. Considering we bought Fallaini from Standard on the last day of the transfer window and he wasn't eligible to play for us, we really did struggle to keep them at bay at Goodison. I just hope Everton can hang onto David Moyes because lets be fair who else could come in and do what he has done for us on a shoestring? Bill Kenwright will have to sell soon otherwise we will be fighting relegation battles again as we were doing 6 or 7 years ago!!

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comment by Rob (U3025320)

posted Oct 3, 2008

It isn't so much that everton will go backward this season so don't fear about that. It's just that this season, everyone else has moved so much further forward.

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posted Oct 3, 2008

It's not surprising everton went out because they haven't made any good signings. why did they spent 15mill on that felliani guy, he's shite. thanks 4 takin saha off our hands. :D
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comment by kal77uk (U1573807)

posted Oct 3, 2008

What is all this Everton werent good enough. this was the Liege side Liverpool couldnt beat???

Liverpool did beat Liege-Liege came to fight for their place at Anfield. Everton lost to the same team when Liege couldnt be bothered to play. if Everton cant win matches, when the opposition has given up, is it any wonder they are in trouble.

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comment by Rob (U3025320)

posted Oct 4, 2008

I'm from Belgium and think that England, Germany, Spain, Italy and other top countrys have too much teams in the champions league.
It's better (and fair) that every country have 2 teams in the champions league.
The other teams can play in the Uefacup.

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This may sound like a good idea, but it really isn't. Last year no forreign team knocked out an English team in the Champions League final and if clubs like Boro could reach the final then Arsenal and Liverpool would destroy the competition. It's a nice idea, but it works best that they need to qualify first. You never know, one may come into the UEFA cup through the group stages. But it works as it is.

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