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RETURN OF KING LANCE

Tour de France
by lancelegstrong (U13403586) 29 September 2008
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If the legend that is LA is not allowed to compete in the TDU in January what would he do instead...Giro or Switzerland , he has to do something just like football teams need friendlies before the season starts.

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comment by Sarah K (U4268603)

posted Oct 2, 2008

You're right Joe, the retesting thing is entirely stupid but your comparisons don't entirely make sense because Indurain and Coppi aren't planning on racing again next year!

And whilst I am trying my hardest to give Armstrong the benefit of the doubt (and I'm afraid I've never been a fan of his) the "he never tested positive" thing? Lots ot riders who are known to have doped never tested positive either (though of course theyw eren't tested as much as Lance)

I kind of wish we could all just skip to the start of racing next season and miss out all of this frustrating speculation and arguing.

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posted Oct 2, 2008

"Ulrich, Pantani, Virenque and Riise all eveentually fell foul and were caught, Armstong has I repeat NEVER EVER failed a drug test."

Sorry, but if I may play Devil's advocate that's simply not correct.

Bjarne Riis admitted taking EPO - never failed a test.
Richard Virenque - never failed a test, eventually admitted drug use after the Festina affair in '98.
Jan Ullrich - never failed a test for PEDs (I know he tested positive for 'recreational' drugs)
Marco Pantani was thrown off the Giro for elevated HCT levels.

I don't necessarily disagree with the majority of your post Joe, but the fact he never failed a test has been rendered irrelevant by the fact that numerous of his contemporaries never failed tests either but have since admitted doping: those already mentioned plus...

Ivan Basso - never failed a test despite being involved in the blood-doping of Operation Puerto.
David Millar - admitted taking EPO but never failed a test.

The cheats are always ahead of the testers - just look at those American sprinters juiced up on BALCO products for years before a test for THG was found.

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posted Oct 2, 2008

Well said Joe Green. Couldn't agree more.

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posted Oct 2, 2008

LA was interviewed on one of the US talk shows, and when asked if he had ever taken drugs he replied that he had never tested positive for drugs. Well, niether did Marion Jones. I have followed the TDF for over 60yrs, and it's doubtful if anyone has won without the aid of some performance enhancing substance.

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comment by omgidbi (U8078647)

posted Oct 2, 2008

share your experience jlee - which riders give you the least doubt that they won clean (and why)?

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comment by ps_067 (U9580806)

posted Oct 2, 2008

I'm not a huge follower of cycling, and therefore I have no axe to bear (I'm not pro or anti Armstrong).

However it's clear that either Armstrong is either an amazing athlete, or drugged. If he is the former, the he is all the more amazing as he beat people known to be on drugs.

He never failed a drugs test - but of course he was only being tested using the test availble at that time.

So - if he's clean (and I'd use this argument for any athlete in any sport where drugs use is known to be high); and if new tests have been developed that can find drugs that were previously undetectable; then why not recheck his and anyone else's sample?

As others have said, there have been countless "clean" athletes in many sports who have wither been caught later or admitted their guilt (or died before thatr e.g. Flo Jo). So why the fear of being retested?

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posted Oct 2, 2008

single, bored, might need a bit of cash the usual stuff are his reasons for this return

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comment by omgidbi (U8078647)

posted Oct 2, 2008

actually, having now read some of the articles in todays press, i think it would be fair to say that LA's lawyers were behind his comeback. What better motivation than the prospect of more fees to cajole a client back into the firing line - once more unto the breach, dear friend.....

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posted Oct 2, 2008

Reply to Omgidby. The only one that I could for sure identify is of course, Floyd Landis. I would not go as far as identify anyone else as just like LA, there is no proof one way or the other. As an ex roadman, I do know that when an athlete is totally destroyed in a mountain stage, he can not blow everyone apart on the following day without some intervention.

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comment by TonyD (U733778)

posted Oct 3, 2008

Just read the article 'Doping boss rues Armstrong stance'... What is it about the French? Lance passed masses of doping tests during all his TDF wins and has had to endure speculation ever since. He has never failed a drugs test so why not just let it drop!

If Lance had been French - do we honestly beleive Mr Bordry would be taking the same approach - Mais Non!!!

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