posted Sep 29, 2008

perhaps tentative is a better word?

His poor strikes in batting had an affect on the side and his captaincy

Panesar only seemed to darting into the rough under Vaughan

Probably used to Giles in that positin who was a better defensive bowler, Strauss and I am sure KP will give Panesar a more attacking role

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posted Sep 29, 2008

I don't think his batting form DID affect his captaincy.

Personally, I think Panesar went through a bit of a rough patch this summer all round with his game. He didn't look like an international cricketer at all.

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posted Sep 29, 2008

That is a bother when a player's foirm decline so abruptly - same thing happened to Harmision

I agree just nailing it on the captain is a bit extreme as players need to step up, but like i said the Cric Captain is such a cricial position, if you are not doing well it affects your captaincy and the ability to motivate palyers expecially those that are not performing

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posted Sep 29, 2008

Thing is, Vaughan has never exactly had a great batting record as captain. And yet motivating players and being the leader doesn't seem to get affected.

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posted Sep 29, 2008

Vaughan to my mind never knew how to skipper spin bowlers. Giles he used purely as a defensive option, and he wasted Panesar. His great successes in 2005 (South Africa, Australia) and the previous summer came purely because of the form of his quick bowlers. When they lost form when he came back, he struggled.

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posted Sep 29, 2008

How many ex-England captains have come back as better players after resigning the captaincy or being sacked?

Botham, possibly, but most of the England captains over the last thirty years have faded away after they have stopped leading the team.

With Gough gone, Yorkshire need a leader and it might be better for Vaughan to concentrate on his county career in the same way as Hick, Trescothick and Ramprakash have done after ending their international careers.

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posted Sep 29, 2008

"How many ex-England captains have come back as better players after resigning the captaincy or being sacked?"

Michael Atherton. Resigned the captaincy in the winter; Man of the Series next series at home against the Saffers.

Alec Stewart. Wasn't captain for long; came back to play a pivotal role (as always) for a while.

Nasser Hussain. Gave up the captaincy, became a stalwart in the middle order. Strauss may have been a one Test wonder had Nass not resigned from international cricket.

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posted Sep 29, 2008

I don't understand why anyone thinks Vaughan will come back.

His eyes have gone. You can see it in the manner of his dismissals. He's missing straight ones the pitch on middle and hit middle.

I love Vaughan. I wish he was capable of playing like he played in 02 and 03, but he isn't.

I guess other people see the game differently from me, but I see no way back for Vaughan.

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posted Sep 30, 2008

"His eyes have gone."



You sound like Ian Botham!

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posted Sep 30, 2008

Botham said the same thing about Kallis.

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