posted Sep 26, 2008

Lewis was revealed to have tested positive for DIFFERENT PEDs
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** IF that were true, you wouldn't have baloney oozing out of your pores.

He tested positive for substances typically found in various cold remedies. Substances that might gain marginal advantage for endurance athletes if dosed properly, but do nothing for sprinters save give them a good night's sleep without congestion.

The banned list of the Olympics is so long as to DQ 95% of the american adult population and that was a new list.

Anyone could have used the big stuff and gotten away with it, but it's like the difference in being caught doing 35 in a 30mph zone and doing 65 in a 30mph zone, a huge difference than equivication like you make it out.

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posted Sep 26, 2008

The only man to be tested positive
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** You have nothing....................................................

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posted Sep 27, 2008

I'm not sure what to think.

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posted Sep 28, 2008

I think it's fantastic news Lance Armstrong has announced he's going to ride the T de F again. He's been honest and said it's purely to promote the LAF and to promote the fight against cancer.
As for Alberto Contador, not willing to play 2nd fiddle to Lance, I don't buy it one little bit, I think he's afraid of Lance, I think He's affraid of loosing to Lance and of being shown up by him.
Lance will shake things up a bit, bruise a few egos, I cannot wait. It would be a brave man to bet against him winning it to for the 8th time to.

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posted Oct 6, 2008

People who didn't test positive but who later admitted they were doping to win bike races or to compete
Richard Virenque
Bjarne Riis
Erik Zabel
Rolf Aldag
(+ a couple of others from the telekom tour team of 1996)
David Millar
Frankie Andreu

All of those people are Lance's contemporaries and have competed with him during his career and some have beaten him during the Tour in various stages (Virenque/ Millar) that he has wanted to win.
Consider also that Marion Jones never tested positive once even though she was winning races left right and centre but finally admitted in a court of law that she had doped to win her Olympic golds.
Not testing positive / always testing negative means nothing these days and retrospectively (Riis especially) shows how the dopers got around the controls so easily.

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posted Oct 7, 2008

In a year where despite all the talk about the tour having a cleaner image so many have tested positive it is a disaster that the king of the dopers should return.Undoubtedly Armstrong was a great bike rider but what makes him unattractive was his hubris and how he villified those who were telling the truth.His famous castigation of those who could not have the heart to believe has come back to haunt him now we know that almost all those he beat have been caught out. Those here who laud him believe in the legend but ignore the evidence rather like those who support oj simpson. Well so be it but how can we welcome back the man who in paul kimmages words screwed the sport

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posted Oct 10, 2008

What "evidence" marlayman? He has never been caught doping. His only "crime" is in winning consistently. As long as Armstrong is surrounded by losers who automatically equate success with drugs - and not with biomechanical efficiency, then he deserves to continue winning.

Condemning a man for anything, simply on the basis of suspicion, is called Witch Hunting. Witch hunting is profoundly undignified, unjust and uncivilized. Unfortunately is is coming back into fashion and it is this that damages sport. Everyone is happy when a real doper is convicted. No one is happy when suspicion is permitted to degrade a profession. There is no doubt that this horrific attitude is due to the erosion of the principle that a man is presumed innocent until proven guilty. If you take that away from a man you undermine your own dignity and humanity even more than his.

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posted Oct 22, 2008

I'm neither pro nor con in this matter of question I saw in discussion elsewhere.

One person said, that if Lance returned to ride in the Tour de France, then that would open up prior samples to be able to be retested. That doesn't make sense to me but this poster said the foreign press was saying that.

If one changed the scenario to another rider, any rider of the names we know that have ridden in prior Tour de Frances, I would be just as unsure.

If anyone has input I'd appreciate it. I decided not to just make one tiresome thread on this.

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