posted Sep 24, 2008

The worse thing about it was how miffed Pogatetz looked when he got sent off, bad tackles are one thing but getting annoyed you got caught breaking someones leg is another.

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posted Sep 24, 2008

An eye for an eye will make the world go blind.

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Yeah but take 10 eyes for the first eye and no one would dare come back for the second one. It is the logical conclusion to that statement.

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posted Sep 24, 2008

It was a terrible tackl;e and I am extremely sorry for Possebon, I'm really glad he has nothing serious.

What I do dislike is some absurd comments being made by United fans about Pogatetz. As disgusting as the tackle was, I never heard United fans talk the same way about Cantona and Keane.

Those two players were thugs of the highest quality, Pogatetz is nowhere near those two in terms of thuggery, if anything Pogatetz had his eyes on the ball it was more a question of clumsiness, and he was manly enough to apologise and recognize his mistake.

Keane and Cantona committed their offences with admitted intent, Fergie is such a hypocrite, if he thinks that Pogatetz should have walked off the pitch, then why didn't he sack Cantona and Keane ?????

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posted Sep 24, 2008

Any1 know anything new of van der sars injury. After him leaving the field at the weekend. cant find info anywhere!. Will he be playing this weekend ?

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posted Sep 25, 2008

After his recent performances, hopefully not.

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posted Sep 26, 2008

Right, I had to comment on this nonsense.

When you mention Cantona, I assume you mean when he attacked that fan. He was doing this in retaliation to racist abuse he was receiving from a "fan" who was known by the police for assault charges, and was also a national front member. I suppose that's ok is it? "Fans" screaming racist abuse at football players? We should all just ignore racism and hope it goes away? No. We should give it a kicking, and make sure it doesn't think about coming back again. That's why he wasn't fired, because he was in the right. Perhaps he should have gone about it another way, say called his mum, or told a teacher. The fact that you call him a thug clearly highlights your views.

As for Keane, he faced a MASSIVE ban, and DIDN'T protest (both of which is true for Cantona, also). Keane walked off the pitch, and was condemned all round, especially by Ferguson.

Pogetetz was banned before for 28 matches (brought down to 8). He has a documented history of this and has no respect for other players. I think it's very good of him to apologize, but this shouldn't get him off the hook. The bloke's an idiot, and knew he'd fouled Possebon, because, in case you aren't aware of this; a two footed tackle? It's a red card offence. Either he's a fool who doesn't understand the most elementary rules of the game, or, as I have said, he's a thug who thinks he can get away with anything. Keane's tackle was one of revenge, Pogetetz's was one of stupidity, selfishness, and cynicism.

Because of a tackle made by Keane, and an attack by Cantona, Pogetetz should get off free? Or this some how justifies the tackle he made? Clearly you can't think straight. And, by the way, you were implying those to things.

Honestly, the desperation of some fans is absolutely laughable. I wonder how you would have tried to brush this foul off if it happened to, say, an Arsenal player - rather than Possebon. You would have had nothing to say. Or if it had been Possebon on Pogetetz. You would have been on your high horse condemning Possebon, because you know the foul was horrific, you're simply pulling as straws in a desperate attempt to justify it.

For God's sake, have some sense. This isn't a club issue, it's about the safety of other players.

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posted Sep 27, 2008

When I mentioned Cantona I was not referring only to his attack ona fan, but to an incident when he was at St.Etienne and he beat up his own team-mate. Players are constantly abused by fans at football matches, it is extremely stupid and unprofessional of Cantona to do what he did. And it was not racist since as far as I know Cantona is not black.

Roy Keane's tackle was of revenge, but also of intent, idiocy and shame. I don't care if Fergie condemned it, he still played him and praised him as a "great" player, whereas on Wednesday he wanted Pogatetz to be sacked.

Pogatetz's tackle was on the ball, his eyes were on the ball and he won it, it was just clumsiness, rather then the exaggerated adjetives you used to describe his tackle. Pogatetz recognised his mistake and apologized.

The thugs of United, Keane and Cantona, made intentinal tackles, and were much more serious than those of Pogatetz. Moreover, they were never sacked. United are a thuggery club, and such tackles on their players only prove to be a taste of their own medicine.

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posted Sep 27, 2008

I think it was xenophobic rather than racist abuse against Cantona (isn't it wonderful how the English language is growing to accomodate different types of prejudice).
United fans aren't saying that these weren't nasty incidents, but you have to realise that Cantona and Keane recieved huge bans for these, by my calculation the two longest bens for incidents on a football field in Premiership history. The question is why did their acts of thuggery recieve unprecidented bans, whereas Pogatetz will get a 3 match ban.
TBH I didn't see the tackle, and I assume it was more mistimed than malicious, but when you look at the likes of Ball on Ronaldo two seasons ago you have to scratch your head a bit, because that was horrendous.

And an "Eye for an eye" well, I always take people who quote the bible with a pinch of salt. Why don't we go all the way and start inflicting identical injuries to players who make a bad tackle. I'm sure we would get a few objections to people tying up Pogatetz and Taylor and having someone smash their legs in.

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posted Sep 27, 2008

United fans aren't saying that these weren't nasty incidents, but you have to realise that Cantona and Keane recieved huge bans for these, by my calculation the two longest bens for incidents on a football field in Premiership history. The question is why did their acts of thuggery recieve unprecidented bans, whereas Pogatetz will get a 3 match ban.


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Well said. If United fans know that they have a history of thugs, then why complain about other players???? Just a taste of their own medicine.

The reason why Keane and Cantona got longer bans is because they did their offences with intent, and were completely stupid and unproffesional.

Pogatetz went for the ball, and won it. It was a very clumsy and reckless challenge, but had no intention of hurting his opponent and more importantly recognised his mistake.

More importantly, Pogatetz did not cause any extensive damage to Possebon, unlike Keane who ended a players career.

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posted Oct 8, 2008

Keane did not end Haalan's career. Haaland retired because of van injury ro the other leg; you can't help but distort matters can you.

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