posted Oct 2, 2008

I'm glad youve finally said Well done, The reason why he's over in America now is because after the capital of boxing as you called it saw him batter their best SM fighter and the other european fighter avoided Kessler was beaten by Joe the tv networks in the us recognise Joe as the no1, thats why he's there because they want him there sorry if it's not good enough but there it is I'm not disputing Joe should have gone to the states earlier in fact I agree however I don't base a fighters legacy based on where they fought, as I've stated a million times it doesn't mattter where you fight you can always be avoided look at Paul Williams WBO Welter champ beat Marg but CANNOT land a big fight with anyone so he's frozen out, unless the TV companies back you, youre a gonna. Hence why Popkins finally agreed a fight with Joe because he was almost forced to.

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posted Oct 3, 2008

i was being sarcastic - its a form of wit.

who was their best SM fighter you're on about that he battered?!

the tv dont recognise him as number one at all, thats ridiculous to say that. but if you're saying that, they've recognised after 44 fights and almost the end of his career hes the best?! bit of a long time if you ask me and basically it shows he cant be that good if its taken him till the end of his career for them to, so called realise this!! so basically with you saying that you've just said they didnt want him their before!! proves my point, he wasnt a good enough attraction and wasnt good enough because hes never beat anyone to grab people attention.

i dont base someones legacy on where they've faught............its who they faught and the fact of the matter is (based off calzaghes record!!) he hasnt faught anyone of top quality in their prime and most certainly in the last 8 years!! face it, hes got a padded record!! yes or no?!

should he have gone to the states earlier......yes!

does he have any big names on his record....no!

will he go down as a great?!.....not in a million years, people will always look back and say he never faught the best and had a padded record, and his record is a fact. (a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred) you cant hide away from that. even if you say he was avoided, which i disagree with 100%, which ever way you look at it his record shows whos hes faught and who hes beat at the end of the day.

im repeatin myself over and over and you're just not getting it.

glen johnson wanted his purse before the fight because calzaghe was always "prone" to injuries, as warren has stated (although i dont believe everything he says) calzaghe was always becoming "injured" abit too often.

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posted Oct 3, 2008

Over ten years at the top, beaten how many former world champs?, defeated the other champs in the SM division, honoured by Ring Mag for his achievements sits highly in the P4P rankings, stepped up in weight to fight the ranked no1 light heavy in the world and supposed legend BOTH past their prime and won, now seen as the No1 light heavy in the world, now head lining another legend in Roy Jones that the "Capital of Boxing" Audiences will lap up and will sell PPVs and then the possibilty of fighting Pavlik if he gets past Hopkins and continues to duck Abrahams now if that sounds like a shabby career youre unbelievable otherwise thats a legacy to be well proud of.

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posted Oct 3, 2008

you are so blinkered its untrue!! your not even arguin back to what i put, your just tryin to find any other means to prove your point which is none existant.

first of all "former champs" thats what they are, not current!!

being a legend means one thing, past tense.

you cant state the future as being part of his legacy, all these if's but's are exactly that!!
not facts.

its ok for calzaghe to duck people but you say pavliks ducking abraham! why doesnt calzaghe fight either of them rather than fight someone in his owns words, yes his own words "washed up" and had "no interest in fighting Jones" and he described him as "not a great fighter anymore". like i say jonhson was paid money before the fight with calzaghe becoz he kept pulling out threw injury and jonhson had ko'd jones years before. calzaghe pulled out.....twice!!

he claimed before the lacy fight his hand was injured yet he didnt do to bad in the end (albeit against someone whos was dubbed the new tyson but off facts, WASNT PROVEN!!)

all i, n plenty of other people need to do is look at joe calzaghes record to see the people hes faught.........that to me kills the arguement, you obviously dont understand facts and ive even give you a definition!!

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posted Oct 4, 2008

I don't think its unfair at all to say its too little too late from Calzaghe. Its only in the last few years when other big names have faded that he has come to the fore. There will all be question marks over a career that didn't have the big fights during its prime. That said I don't think he is a bad fighter. I wouldn't rank him as the best because of what I have said but certainly a top 20 UK best if not not just creeping into the top ten. As for the Roy Jones fight? A complete non-event I am afraid. Jones is past his best, beating him as surely as he will, proves nothing about Joe.

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posted Oct 5, 2008

I was just reading through the various posts, and I agree with legendaryezy and everydayman! JC could have been one of the best, but isn't because he never fought the best. His recent "raid" on the US is too little too late. He has cunningly waited till those he should have fought years ago are well past their best. He was far from convincing against BHop and does have a padded career.

There is no point arguing whether he would have been "murdered" if he had fought RJJ years ago, as unfortunately he didn't. Anyone with a tad of boxing sense knows what the outcome would have been (and so does JC).

People look at Muhammed Ali as one of the best because of who he fought - Liston, Frazier, Foreman etc. Yes, we all know Rocky Marciano went unbeaten but is he ever considered in the same berth as Ali??? JC will be remembered simply as someone who fought no one, and was not beaten by anyone!!!

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posted Oct 5, 2008

Yes, we all know Rocky Marciano went unbeaten but is he ever considered in the same berth as Ali???
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** Rocky fans are more rabid than Ali fans.

Just not enough of them living anymore, whereas Ali fans abound everywhere and can usually be spotted by their conspicuous lack of boxing acumen, knowing Ali primarily as an mythical era icon, not a boxer.....

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posted Oct 5, 2008

shut up LRR

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posted Oct 6, 2008

Legendary What weight do Pavlik and Abraham ply their trade???? Is this the same division as Calzaghe? It's simple Clear up your own division and then get the fights you want, you do raise a great question though how many unification fights did Popkins have in his long reign as champ?? Everyday is that not how Lewis carved his distinguished career?

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posted Oct 20, 2008

Ooops Sunday morning wasn't supposed to happen, I like the fact that should Joe beat RJJ Hopkins would come to the UK to fight Joe hmmm I thought it was upto the European fighters to chase these fights in America, times must be changing

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