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England's march to oblivion!

by Blueoverthemoon (U7554247) 05 September 2008
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I had the good fortune of watching every match bar one (v Argentina in QF)when England won the world cup in 1966 and what incredible buzz I (and I think anyone else who was English) got when Bobby Moore held the thing aloft at Wembley.Sadly since that day when we were on top of the world, things have moved slowly backwards and the prospect of seeing happen again is very remote.

Its a puzzle that we still happen to be ranked 15th in the world. I wonder how many of us will be scratching our heads after the game on Saturday night wondering how on earth we could be ranked 171 places above Andorra!

It will get worse of course whilst the PL hogs the international limelight and sucks in more and more £billions, which in turn will bring in more and more foreign players and leave us with an ever decreasing pool of talent to choose from.Poor Capello-how can he be blamed? This year Manchester City beat Chelsea in the FA youth cup final. Both teams had a high proportion of English players. 30 years ago most of youth cup finalists would have expected a future in footballs top stream, but I doubt you will see any of this years around in the future at the top.

ENGLAND R.I.P.

STOP PRESS:- I REST MY CASE.TIME NOW TO LOBBY FOR MINIMUM NUMBER (6) OF ENGLISH PLAYERS IN LEAGUE.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Kids in Spain (and they won the Euro's), Germany, Italy, Holland etc etc have telly's and computer games doh
Look at the background of TODAYS officially recognised BEST WORLD FOOTBALL PLAYER (2008) Kaka...he comes from a very well to do christian family in Brazil! I bet he had a telly and computer games as well!

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comment by eyetee (U12140318)

posted Sep 7, 2008

Any wonder that England don't do well.
I just took the top 9 premiership teams from last year and then looked at Sky for what they classify as the strikers from each club for this year.
Looking at this list below, No wonder we don't do well.
We have all these wonderful academies, but we don't see these players making it into the top teams (striker wise).
It is high time we put a limit on foreign players playing in our leagues in order to advance our own players.
I think that each club should be limited to 3 foreign players.
It wouldn't matter who was manager of the England team, you can't teach old dogs new tricks.Lets face it, there is just not the quality around and never will be whilst all the foreigners suffocate the Premiership.

I love the quality of football in the Premiership, but we are paying a high price for that with our national team.

Man U Strikers:
32 Carlos Tevez 9 Dimitar Berbatov 10 Wayne Rooney 26 Manucho

Chelsea Strikers:
11 Didier Drogba 16 Scott Sinclair 21 Salomon Kalou 39 Nicolas Anelka

Arsenal Strikers:
9 Eduardo 11 Robin Van Persie 12 Carlos Vela 25 Emmanuel Adebayor 26 Nicklas Bendtner

Liverpool Strikers:
7 Robbie Keane 9 Fernando Torres 18 Dirk Kuyt - Kristian Nemeth

Everton Strikers:
9 Louis Saha 14 James Vaughan 22 Yakubu Aiyegbeni 27 Lukas Jutkiewicz 28 Victor Anichebe 35 Keiran Agard 37 Jose Baxter

Aston Villa Strikers:
9 Marlon Harewood 10 John Carew 11 Gabriel Agbonlahor 17 Moustapha Salifou

Blackburn Rovers Strikers:
9 Roque Santa Cruz 10 Benni McCarthy 27 Matt Derbyshire 30 Jason Roberts

Portsmouth Strikers:
Ben Sahar 9 Peter Crouch 10 David Nugent 14 Jermain Defoe 17 John Utaka 27 Kanu

Manchester City Strikers:
9 Valeri Bojinov 10 Robinho 12 Darius Vassell 14 Jo 20 Felipe Caicedo 24 Ched Evans 27 Benjani 28 Daniel Sturridge

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posted Sep 7, 2008

The moribund FA in all its guises has been masterminding the downfall of English Football ever since 1966.

They have now completed their self imposed task.

The mere fact that the awful non performing Desperate Dan imposter ROONEY is the media's idea of our best International player is condemnation enough.

PhilNevillesLeftFoot has come up with a half decent list of complete footballing rubbish to be jettisoned.

However, he is a biased Northener and has no excuse for not incluing Rooney,Cashley,Barry and Gerrard in his list of rejects.

PS. If Kaka is the best footballer in the World I am the new owner of ManCity. And I wouldn't buy him.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

"STOP PRESS:- I REST MY CASE.TIME NOW TO LOBBY FOR MINIMUM NUMBER (6) OF ENGLISH PLAYERS IN LEAGUE."

Prove to me how that will actually work?

"It is high time we put a limit on foreign players playing in our leagues in order to advance our own players."

And how will they advance? If they cant learn from the foreign players, how will placing a limit actually achieve anything? It wont. All you end up with is a team full of average Joes on the park.

Its nothing to do with the quality of the player, and everything to do with coaching and scouting. Kids are brought up learning hoofball and not football. Its one of the few sports where if you have "passion" and can give a crunching tackle your considered one of the best players in the world (if you believe the English media hype).

So unless that imrpoves, all you have is 8 English players in your team that are only there because of a quota, not because they are good enough. I wonder if Sky etc would then be prepared to pay the same amount of money to watch a medicore league? Nope, then youd see a massive fallout due to clubs not being able to pay their debt.

Quotas are the lazy mans method of explaining away Englands troubles. Its no wonder you wont ever achieve at a major tournament if you keep thinking this is the magical solution to all your problems.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Players like micah richards, theo walcott, bentley, hart and bale should be future england starters. Capello should integrate them ASAP so that they get experience. Play them alongside players like terry, gerrard and owen to learn from and they will do well.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

Blue Phoenix,

What it would do is give good youth players a better chance chance of getting into the first team squads and being allowed to develop at the highest level. I realise this alone isn't going to cure England's malaise and there are other matters to consider like Prem trophies and number of games, coaching uniformity, sport psychology etc, but our domestic talent pool is too small and getting smaller.Compare it with the teams that rate higher -Spain, Italy,France etc and you'll see they have leagues majority populated with their own nationals.

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posted Sep 7, 2008

"However, he is a biased Northener and has no excuse for not incluing Rooney,Cashley,Barry and Gerrard in his list of rejects."

I do have an excuse they are usually our better players. I'm an Everton fan but no Gerrard for England?

I'm not a biased Northerner either I didn't pick any Arsenal players out for criticism, oh hang on ENGLAND team........

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posted Sep 7, 2008

I am pleased there is little Arsenal representation in the England team, I wouldn't want any Arsenal player to be demeaned by playing in such a terrible team.

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comment by AD (U5487772)

posted Sep 7, 2008

Can we stop blaming the premier for the lack of talent that comes through into English football. Its ridiculous !!

When we went to the last world cup in Germany we had the most talented set of players to leave these shores. Only a few months prior the final 40 or so nominations for world player of the year had included 5 English players. Only Brazil had 5 and their 5 were all forwards apart from Ronaldinho so would not have been in the same team anyway. Our 5 did not include Rooney, who was a new discovery, and did not include Ferdinand as he had been suspended for a while.

We do not need 3-400 players to chioose from to make up a squad of 23. If young players are going to be good enough for England they will break through regardless.

The reason we dont make the grade in tournaments is bad coaching and an inability to keep the ball. Instead at the earliest sign of anyone being closed down we hoof it up the pitch aimlessly and then sit back and watch foreign teams build patiently, using the ball wisely, until they inject some pace in the final third.

The more we learn from 'quality' players coming into the premier the better. Do you honestly think that English players havent benfited from working week in week out with some of the worlds best?

For some unknown reason even a foreign coach can't seem to get through to the likes of John Terry and Downing, who were the main culprits last night for just kicking the ball up in the air as soon as poss. A pointless tactic when your forward line are no taller than time bandits.

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comment by eyetee (U12140318)

posted Sep 7, 2008

>>Do you honestly think that English players havent benfited from working week in week out with some of the worlds best?
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Well eeerrrrrrrr NO

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