Liverpool fans have seen captain Steven Gerrard really struggling at the start of the season for match sharpness so it comes as no surprise to learn he needs a groin operation to solve a niggling problem.
GERRARD TO MISS ENGLAND GAMES
He played through the pain barrier on Wednesday night against Standard Liege to help secure Liverpool's passage into the Champions League proper but he was clearly below bar.
You can understand manager Rafael Benitez wants his star player missing as few Premier League matches as possible so he has to forego two England World Cup qualifiers instead, against Andorra on 6 September and Croatia four days later.
He will have surgery on Thursday so is definitely out of the Aston Villa match on Sunday but could also miss the Manchester United game on 13 September as well.
What do you make of the timing of the op and how much are England and Liverpool going to miss Gerrard?