posted Aug 17, 2008

i'm one of the 99% who say that honeyghan was a party monster by the time curry starling got to him.

I also accept that peak curry was a better fighter than peak honeyghan and that starling would always haver given him problems. Of course i'm just a one-eyed brit. Styles make fights etc, but starling and honey had other common opponents when both were prime and there's enough to suggest that honey was hardly operating at a top level against starling. You only have to watch a few of his fights to see the degradation in his performances. Anyway, bored with that.

Back to the thread. Don't agree that Nelson was the finished article against Sanchez. Far from it. I had sal ahead in a bruising contest at the time of the stoppage but Nelson was wild and green in that fight... as would be fit a 13 fight novice at 9 days notice. Nelson Sanchez 2 would have been some fight.

Sals sad early demise certainly robbed us of some great fights... Arguello would have been a very difficult fight to pick.

Chavez, would have been at super-feather, at a time where JCC was relatively young and not looking his best. He had some tough fights against the super-feathers at the time... Lockridge , Laporte. It was only when he went to lightweight that he looked invincable so i give sal a decent shout in that fight, at that time.

We never saw enough of Sanchez, i think, to predict some of these super-fights with any degree of confidence. We just saw enough to know he was very very good. Certainly imo, a shade above the very good fighters of recent years at around the same weight.

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posted Aug 17, 2008

just seen wicken's post... for hamed read honeyghan. Different decade, same story, except Hamed had more talent.

And for Truss, yes lots of US fighters have fallen the same way.

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posted Aug 17, 2008

HOF lost all prestige when they inducted Mcguigan.If the miles more skilfill barrera couldn't stop a past his best Hamed then Mac would have no chance whatsoever.A prime Hamed makes Mac his boy over 12 very one sided rounds.

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posted Aug 17, 2008

I think the decision to induct McGuigan into the IBHOF was not to do with his career in the sport, but of what he did outside the ring and also following his retirement from boxing.

* He unified a country at a time when it was almost tearing itself apart.

* He co-founded the PBA.

* He has become one of the most respected voices of boxing on TV.

McGuigan is a worthy addition to the HOF.

Now, onto Honeyghan. He had a very short peak, I know but I am of the opinion that he would have beaten Starling had he fought him in defence number 2 instead of Maurice Blocker. Lloyd was in great form then and this was a pre-Futch Starling, don't forget which made all the difference in his career, IMO.

There was an article in BN a couple of weeks ago, when Honeyghan was reflecting on the tortuous times he had making the weight for fights. He said he had absolutely nothing in the tank against Breland.

It showed.

Speaking of Honeyghan, why hasn't he written his life-story yet? Would be a cracking read, I reckon...

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posted Aug 17, 2008

honeyghan book would be a belter agree with you there

starling was an awkward fighter for anyone at that weight curry honeyghan whoever
I liked honeyghan for his willingess to fight anyone anywhere but a prime curry imo was up there as the best p4p in the world for a brief time as for starling he would proably always have beaten honeyghan , just had the right style to get the job done.

Barry Mcg and Hamed not in the same lge as guys like sanchez, nelson, chavez etc but id loed have to seen them face each other for me hamed wins a 12 roud fight on points barry wins a 15 round fight on a late stoppage

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posted Aug 17, 2008

So a murderous durable pressure fighter like Gomez lasts eight rounds and Sanchez-mcguigan is a great fight what a joke.

Mcguigan couldn't put away Cabrera or Pedroza and got a boxing lesson of Bernard Taylor before the 100 degree heat got to him.

Mcguigan was okay but please if Wilfredo can't handle sanchez and gets slaughtered what chance has ole barry got.

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posted Aug 18, 2008

i agree, mcguigan would not beat nelson or hamed.

And to think that he would stand there with Sanchez?!?!? McGuigan beat a past-it Pedroza. I think he's in the HOF for his services to boxing outside of the ring.

Sanchez wins every round before stopping McGuigan anytime he wants.

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posted Aug 18, 2008

""Me I stay objective.""


Ha ha ha ha! Cheers Truss, the skies are grey, it's monday and I'm back at work but at least I have this comedy gem to cheers me up. Trussman, objective, ha ha.

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posted Aug 18, 2008

Everyone writing off Mcguigan here, and in this company its fair to say he'd be outgunned by all of them. He's a pretty modest guy and always admitted Nelson would have been a bridge too far. Barry never recovered form the Cruz fight, but prior to that he was the sort of guy who'd at least make sure all these boys knew they'd been in a fight.

No doubt he got pedrosa at a great time, and yes he was struggling with the slick taylor, but he did a pretty good number on juan laporte. Laporte may have been picked because he was a name considered to be on the slide, but actually turned in some pretty decent performances afterwards, not least against jcc.

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posted Aug 18, 2008

""Both Starling and Breland were in Caesars to watch Curry-Honey and both said Curry "Was a Shell" and that any flyweight could of beaten him. "KO magazine sept 86".""

I can just imagine Truss tending to his little Don Curry shrine, leafing through his KO magazine, endlessly re reading Starlings comments and telling himself "Don was weight drained, it doesn't count" over and over again.
Twenty years Truss and you still haven't got over it. And you still blame Lloyd, as if he shoulda come over and lay down instead of beating up your overhyped champ. He did Don a favour, he saved him from getting into the ring with Marvin Hagler. You should be thanking Lloyd instead of slating him.

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