posted Aug 13, 2008

never a penalty, never a sending off!

no more west coast refs as it has been proved over the years they are one way or another infirm supporters - take it all out of glasgow re-home at perth under the jurisdiction of the scottish government and watch the difference...

corruption in scottish football?? you betcha!

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posted Aug 13, 2008

with the massive increase in referees match fees they should be held more accountable. performances like this one should mean that the ref in question does not officiate top class matches until he has proven himself up to the challenge again.

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posted Aug 13, 2008

Klaus nomi..dont know what game you were watching but not the same one as me. The problem with this respect programme is that referees now know that they are untouchable and this is going to cause more problems. What needs to happen is to allow access to referees and give them the opportunity to explain their decisions. All that will happen now is they will become more arrogant than they already are

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posted Aug 14, 2008

Ehhherm!!!

If you look at the photie that's inset on the Chick Young article.

You'll see that Haining's left hand is firmly clamped around his opponents wrist.

Footie is a physical game and there is contact. The ref has to decide at which point the six of one and half a dozen of the other argument becomes foul play.

Grabbing your oppo's arm and spinning him round usually gets the decision.

The ref could have blown earlier if he'd thought the 'tussle' was started by JVoH's fending Haining off or just stopped the play if he didn't know who started it, then had a 'bounce-up' re-start (when does that ever happen?)

As it was he did neither til the arm grab.

Haining lost his man and resorted to baulking and then grabbing his man.

What's his complaint?

If he thought JVoH had fouled him then the ref would have pulled Hessa up.

If missed by the ref, then that's tough. What you don't get is a free pass on fouling 'back'.

This aint rocket science; proved by the wooden opinions of any number of ex-pro 'experts' who can't hold more than one thought at a time.

That the ones on the radio and TV are the brightest of them shows why ex-pro's have never become referees after retiring instead of such as lawyers, teachers and plod.

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posted Aug 14, 2008

comment by Hail__Hail (U1871637)

posted Yesterday

these kind of conspiracy posts really dont help better the level of refereeing in the game and are frankly just stupid. Look at the hamilton highlights last night. The first highlight is a hamilton player running clear when he was offside, their equalizer was as soft a free kick as Nakas against st mirren, and their 2nd goal was a potential hand ball. Because this is Hamilton v Dundee utd, noone will mention this. If Celtic or Rangers were involved it would be a massive issue.

Against St Mirren we had a penalty that shouldnt have been, but a decent shout for a penalty 5 minutes before hand. Last season people were quick to mention the last minute goal aberdeen has disallowed against Celtic, yet happened to forget celtic had a perfectly good goal disallowed about 5 minutes before that.

The state of refereeing is just bad in this country, but the media will always focus on the big games, and seeing as 90% of the big games include the old firm it is pretty apparent why more decisions are in the limelight when they include Celtic or Rangers. Equally, it is no surprise that Celtic in particular get more penalties, free kicks, and such when teams play like St Mirren did last weekend- lining up 11 players in their own half to play for 0 0. What do you really expect to happen when one team has significantly more possession in the opponents half? As I say, the initial post is correct, but talk of bias is just plain daft

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Totally agree!

Ref could have called it any number of ways - including the way he did - and been totally honest.

Even with the benefit of replays all but a very few refs decisions are within the bounds of 'benefit of the doubt'.

So why is this decision subject of so much angst?

I think it says more about the people moaning that any real issue with this particular ref.

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posted Aug 16, 2008

U1753897....if you look at the photo you refer to you will see that the reason Haining has a hold of his arm is possibly to stop him grabbing his shirt, which if you look closely, he is doing. Funny you don't mention that in your post. Either you are a Celtic fan, a referee or both or maybe just selective vision

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posted Aug 16, 2008

Sunbury:

You're totally correct - JVoH IS holding a big lump of Haining's shirt.

If there were replays, probably the play would have been brought back.

Trouble is that almost ALL contact with arms/hands is illegal and if every play was stopped because of it, then the 'Scottish' game (possibly more than ANY other league) would be a succession of free kicks with even less open play than now (as if that were possible???)

Watch ANY game and it's clear that 'tussling' is not only accepted, it's gloried in as 'meaty challenges' and 'Gazza's 'interesting' use of his arms' and other euphemisms for simple foul play. McGeady gets fouled just about EVERY time he tries to go past an oppo.

And that's my point. The ref has to decide when Scottish 'tussling' becomes foul play.

My last two comments (above) deal with this in a way that is rational and entirely valid along with an explanation of why the ref was right to rule as he did and then deny the 'appeal'.

People can't have their cake and ha'penny. Either Scottish ale-house OR Euro style not a mixture of both.

If Haining had not fouled JVoH and left it to the ref, he would not have benn sent orft nor conceded a pen.

HE did not have a right to grab his oppo cos he'd been fouled first (and that's if he had)

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posted Aug 18, 2008

Join the protest:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A39762020

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posted Aug 23, 2008

it shouldnt have been a penalty because hesselink was offside and fouled first anyway. Mind you a good case could have been made for a penalty earlier so lets deal with it and move on. This ref isnt biased he's just mind-numbingly incompetent.

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posted Aug 24, 2008

I'm I the only one that feels sorry for referees? Have you seen the amount of abuse a referee takes in 90mins. He is lambasted by 4 or 5 players over practically every decision he gives. Players are the ones that need sorted out first. They are the ones that need to act more professionally. FFS players actually contest every throw in and corner decision in most games. This is ridiculous.

Then you have managers like Gus McPherson complaining the ref didn't make the correct decision for his team last week but should have bent the rules for one of his players this week. and he wonders why refs have little time for him. Managers and players are fully aware what constitues yellow/red card offences and it is entirely up to them whether they chose to commit those fouls. they should also face the same punishment in the first minute or 90th.

Hail Hail made a very good point about the fact that OF teams generally have the greater amount of posession in SPL games and so naturally they will draw the most fouls, and also everyone gets dodgy decisions it's just only highlighted in OF games due to TV coverage. Rangers against Falkirk on the opening day showed that when someone actually dominates the old firm they can win penalties freekicks etc. however Falkirk bottled it when given the chance and ended up losing the game.

I don't believe referees are biased or corrupt. Perhaps they show shades of incompetence from time to time but so does the goalkeeper who drops the ball or the striker who misses from 5 yards or the defender who lunges in and gives away a penalty. Everyone is human everyone makes mistakes. And decisions do generally even themselves out.

What would help was if referees were professional and spent their week training and reviewing previous performances.

Also more sporting behaviour and less abuse from players directed to referees would leave them with less issues to deal with and a clearer head to make the big decisions. Refs are human and have instincts and feelings too. Would you turn around and award a potentially match winning penalty to someone who just gave you all the abuse under the sun for not giving him a throw in that he wasn't even entitled to. Even subconsciously I'm sure refs take player/management treatment of officials into consideration and I for one don't blame them.

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