posted Aug 20, 2008

From the Roman name Patricius, which meant "nobleman" in Latin. This name was adopted by the 5th-century Saint Patrick, whose birth name was Sucat. He was a Romanized Briton who was captured and enslaved in his youth by Irish raiders. After six years of servitude he escaped home, but he eventually became a bishop and went back to Ireland as a missionary. He is traditionally credited with Christianizing the island, and is regarded as Ireland's patron saint.

In England and elsewhere in Europe during the Middle Ages this name was used in honour of the saint. However, it was not generally given in Ireland before the 17th century because it was considered too sacred for everyday use. It has since become very common there.

Hence, Padraig is only the Irish equivalent of Patrick, which leaves both the presence of the fada and the pronunciation entirely open to question. Harrington hasn't even got a fada on his website.

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posted Aug 20, 2008

Well done benice.....you have proved you can surf the net....
please don’t tell me how to spell or pronounce MY name......

it is most certainly with a fada....it must have it to be an Irish Gaelic name....its impossible to spell it without the fada....if you know the irish education system then ask your old teacher about it...just because its not on his website is not a valid argument.....
End of debate.......

Is leor nod don eolach.

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posted Aug 20, 2008

Not exactly painstaking research I admit, but it hardly has to be. All Irish names have to have a fada, are you kidding me?! Diarmuid, Tadhg, Liam, Risteard, Cian, Daithi, Concobhar, the list is endless. Please don't tell me how to pronounce Padraig Harrington's name; since he spells his WITHOUT a fada as many of my Irish friends do, there is clearly enough room for variation. And if you can offer me a better explanation regarding the history of the name Padraig, I'd sure like to hear it. Maybe Wikipedia can do better...

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posted Aug 21, 2008

i didnt say all irish names need a fada.
i said the name pádraig needs a fada.
i also do not care how your friends spell it incorrectly.
I also do not use Wikipedia as a source of information as it is people like you that upload to it.

I do not need the Almighty Internet for my Information. My father was an Irish teacher and unlike most I knew to listen to someone with superior knowledge.

I also do not know how Pádraig Harrington spells his name as I have never had the pleasure of seeing him sign it but if he does not use the fada, he should.........

Its not about the history of the name, its about how you read and write the irish language. the skill of which(being done correctly) is being lost slowly.....

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posted Aug 21, 2008

"it is most certainly with a fada....it must have it to be an Irish Gaelic name..."

Well, you can see how I misunderstood.

Say what you like about Wikipedia but I'd be willing to bet most of the info is right far more often than it's wrong; outside of downright sensationalism it is usually reliable enough. You know, the irony is it's the only website I can find that actually spells Harrington's Christian name with a fada! My original point was with the pronunciation, and since this debate started, every single person I have asked, including (low and behold) an Irish teacher, to pronounce Harrington's first name has done so without acknowledging the D. It's possible pronunciation varies according to regional dialects, but your name is quite simply not exclusively pronounced Pawdrig, at least not in Ireland. End of argument.

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posted Aug 21, 2008

find a native irish speaker, if you can . ask them to pronounce it.
I presume that you will agree that the irish speaking people pronounce their names correctly. Such as Pádraig, Ciaran, Caitlin, etc. Do you ever watch the GAA in Irish. If not then take a chance and liten out. you will here a proper irish person, speak our native tounge correctly and then come back to me.

this is Pádraig(pah-drig or paw-drig,you can choose) Conghaile O'Callaghan signing off.
Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam agus ni heolas go haontios








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posted Aug 21, 2008

keizo-Yamata
Why do you delete posts simply if someone disagrees with you? Go back to nursery!!

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posted Aug 21, 2008

You realize, of course there is no such thing as a native Irish speaker, since the language itself is acknowledged to be spoken under at least three different dialects named after abundant speakers in their respective provinces (Ulster, Munster and Connacht). Your GAA commentator (and your Dad) must be representatives of one of the latter two because one of my best friends is from Donegal and he never pronounces the D in his brother Padraig's name.
Irish is clearly your first language, as evidenced not only by your preference to end every counter-point with a random seanfhocal but also the generally poor quality of your English (hear/here) but as far as this argument is concerned, it doesn't offer you any extra credibility.

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posted Aug 22, 2008

1. Saying that there isn't native Irish speakers because of the different dialects is one of the dumbest things I have ever had the misfortune of hearing. Have you ever spoke to an Irish speaking person? If you ever do you should tell them this.
2. If you had any brains you would look at my profile and see that I was from Monaghan. Which in case you don’t know is in Ulster?
3. Once again you try to make your argument by saying, “one of my best friends is from Donegal and he never pronounces the D in his brother Padraig's name..” You think this is a valid argument?
Irish English speaking people have ruined/ignored the little Irish they might of learned of the language and therefore cannot be used as a source of info.
My name has been pronounced so many different ways it’s criminal. It actual fact, foreign speaking people can actually pronounce it better than the Irish. Embarrassing really.
So Benice, I wish you all the best as I have finished with you now.
You are one of these people that think the internet and the information on it is fact. Yet when a native Irish speaking person tries to give you some info you choose to ignore it and then you just get at him for his poor English. You also make dumb arguments that your friends say this and they pronounce it like so. These are the very people that while in school say “why do we have to learn Irish, its stupid. We will never use it” An embarrassment to our little island.

p.s. hope my english wasn't too bad for you this time.

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posted Aug 22, 2008

keizo-Yamata
Why do you delete posts simply if someone disagrees with you? Go back to nursery!!


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I deleted only one post and i was mine and that was because it was incomplete.! Who cares what anyone says? Go and look at the other threads i made and you would find no posts deleted. If i was bothered, don't you think i would have deleted the posts abusing me?

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