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Wicketkeeper - an interesting thought

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by RichCroker (U4291350) 10 August 2008
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Given the amount of debate surrounding the England wicketkeeping position I glanced over Mark Boucher's stats recently. Boucher has been considered a consistent and decent performer in the South African test set up for a long time now - even though at points he lost the gloves to de Villiers etc. After Sangakarra and Gilchrist he has probably been considered the next most desirable keeper for most of the 2000's - though the likes of McCullum and Dhoni have risen up over the last couple of years.

Boucher has only scored 4 test hundreds in his career of 165 innings - one every 40 innings or so. Further 3 of these hundreds were scored in 1999 - he hasn't scored a test hundred since 2004.

Since he scored that last 100 he has averaged 27 with a highest score of 85.

Of course having Kallis in the side allows Boucher to bat at no.7 but he is still perceived as a top class run getter at test level.

My point is - surely this sheds a lot of light on the England keeping situation. I've been a fan of Prior in the past alongside Foster, but given the information on Boucher am willing to open up more to the idea of a decent gloveman with an average batting average. If someone is averaging 30 rather than 40 in tests and can play well with the top 5/6 then is it that costly? It's only 20 runs per test - something that could be squeezed out elsewhere with better fielding etc, outfield catching.

Just for information I have put a couple of the current international keepers (who most England fans would be happy to accept into their side) below:

Dhoni - 34avg - 1 hundred, 9 fifties from 47 innings
Mccullum - 31 avg - 2 hundreds, 10 fifties from 57 innings
Akmal - 32 avg - 5 hundreds, 8 fifties from 65 innings

Also on this note - when people say we will never have another Gilchrist - interesting to note the differences between him and Sangakkara:

Gill - 137 innings - 5570 @ 47.60 - 17 hundreds and 26 fifties
Sang - 123 innings - 6208 @ 54.45 - 16 hundreds and 26 fifties

The biggest difference is that of the strike rate - KS's 55, AG's 81. But still the avg of 8 runs extra should be noted for KS.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

I hate to say this but I would be very irritated if Prior was brought back as keeper - the way he has batted this season might make a case for him as a batsman alone in the team. but not keeper. He will drop catches that need to be taken if we are to win matches and progress as a side. Therefore, Prior taking the gloves would be a retrograde step for England. Either take Read or Foster, because out in India chances will be more difficult to come by and therefore we need the best keeper to take them.

On the Gilchrist-Sangakarra note, Gilly fell away towards the end of his career after averaging 55 for the majority of it, whilst consistently keeping well. Sangakarra is not as good a keeper whilst batting higher up and therefore having more time to build an innings, borne out by that strike rate statistic.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Ambrose hasn't done much wrong behind the stumps but his batting has deteriorated rapidly. Prior's glove work isn't bad and his batting pretty good; maybe he was dropped to soon. A;though Ambrose has been messed about a bit in the order which won't have done anything for his confidence I believe he was selected too soon as we should take prior on tour plus Foster who by all accounts is the best gloveman in the country. Although this position is a worry the bigger problem for me is the fact that we need 5 bowlers but if Freddie is going to bat at No6 then that IA a worry.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Its whether or not a new wicket keeper can cope with the test arena.Most of the current keepers are average as you say but only a few would be test material because they are "big" match players.Keeping wicket to an empty ground in the week is not the same as 20-40,000 people looking at everything you do including your mistakes -big and small.I think that there are about 3 or 4 who could cope with that. The others cannot including Ambrose and it shows.If its a new broom with KP then a new keeper needs to be included in the test side along with a known one.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

RapidDavide

You make some interesting points about Gilchrist.If I recall he didnt do to well against England in 2005,considering his reputation so not that good in his later career.On the matter of who you take,Read will not be considered because he wont be acceptable to the Indians.The selectors wont rock the boat so he wont even be mentioned.
Foster is an interesting choice with many for and many against.I dont rate any of the English keepers put forward at present but he is as good as any.To be fair I dont think G.Jones was given much support and he was part of the side who beat the Australians.He wasnt the best keeper but he could bat a bit and was a big occasion player.It was the "purists" and stuffed shirts in the media who got him pushed out-unfairly I think.The days of Alan Knott,Bob Taylor,Jack Russell and Alec Stewart have gone so there isnt much we can do about it.We might get the Somerset Wicket keeper soon and then you will have a class batsman but not sure about his keeping?

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posted Aug 12, 2008

OLDGIT57 (if I may),

The 2005 Ashes was probably the beginning of Gilly's descent as he could not cope with the swinging ball, notably from Flintoff.

You may well be right on Read and ICL recriminations, which would be detrimental to our standing in world cricket. That the BCCI were influencing our selection policy, especially as Read signed in good faith before the acrimony began, would show real weakness from our governing body. Still, Foster should go as he is one of few keepers who could cope standing up to spinners in India.

Your point on Kieswetter is interesting as I have heard others raving about him. Also mentioned has been Ben Scott of Middlesex - quality keeper technically who avergaes over 40 this season. Steven Davies was with the Lions last winter so wonder if he might be under consideration.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

You're talking about Keiswetter.

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posted Aug 12, 2008

Strauss
Cook
Key
KP
Bell
Broad
Flintoff
Rashid
Read
Harmison
Jones

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posted Aug 14, 2008

If Australia beat South Africa later this year, I dont think it matters who plays for England next year in the Ashes. The Australians seem to be putting together a very strong side again led by Ponting, Clarke, Lee, Hussey (and his brother looks good), Clark etc... A lot of the players have been very successful in England which is also a worry. The batsmen know English conditions very well and the bowling squad is getting stronger all the time. Unless England can unravel another Petierson and one oor two of the bowlers hit their peak, I just cant see England doing it, despite all the bravado.

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posted Aug 15, 2008

Ive read comments about Pietersen making the only century of the match in his maiden test match as captain.
The truth is he was dropped twice early in his innings.
In the second innings where the match was there to be won he failed, and left it to others to bring home the bacon.
I am not saying he is not a fine batsman, but so far his batting as England captain has not been the best.
But for the embarrassing drops from Sth Africans it would have been two failures.

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posted Aug 15, 2008

How can anyone judge on how Pietersen will captain the side following the match at the Oval which exerted zilch pressure on the captain? How can Pietersen himself be so arrogant as to say that if England play like they did at the Oval they can win the Ashes? He shows his stupidity in making such assertions which Little Sir Echo Moores repeats.

After the big Moores/Pietersen love in of the last week, what will happen in India? A stern test, as Vaughan might have said.

Barrymanulow - you're right. Pietersen was lucky to be dropped; the Saffers can and will pick him. Pietersen refuses point blank to change his game - so other people will have him sussed. I have no doubt the Aussies are watching all the videos and are well prepared.

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