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Anyone watching?, its on now on Setanta Sports, i don't have high hopes for it but its live boxing so i will watch.
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posted Jul 14, 2008
Klitch has terrible balance and very slow hand speed for one who looks athletic ---------------------** I agree that his balance needs work.It looks to me it's a the result of Manny's influence where he's obviously teaching to clinch to interupt natural offensive flow, probably to preserve stamina for later rounds.Disagree about the hand speed. He's much faster than Lewis or Bowe, comparable big men. Maybe you're confused about his pawing jab. His jab is more formidable than Holmes who could never keep off big guys with just a jab like he did all those little fellas he fought.Holmes and Ali used to paw with their jabs as well.Go look at that 1-2 he put Thompson down with in the 11th. You won't find many in history with a better combination of speed, power, and delivery than that little number.
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The heavyweight division is currently very poor. Some of the fighters who did not win or won and lost the title a few years ago would now be in a position to dominate the division.I am talking about fighters like Tony Tubbs, Bonecrusher Smith, Tim Witherspoon, Riddik Bowe and Frank Bruno.Haye looks like he could be the man to take the title going forward, however he needs to have a few fights at heavyweight to get himself ready to challange, win and then defend the title.Klitschko is supposed to be the best in the division but on seeing the fight on saturday he did not look that good at all.
Londonringrules, nonsense that Wlad has better hand speed than Lewis. Speed was one of Lewis's main strengths given that he was big
Sorry, but I agree with LondonRingRules. I think it's as fast as Lewis', and I think he's heavier handed than Lewis. However, in terms of skillset Lewis was much more gifted, and had much better movement allowing him to throw a jab from a larger variety of angles. I think Wlad's very good and would have been good in most eras (lets face it, he's a monster). But, for sake of drawing a comparison, I think Wlad's more linear movement meant he would have been troubled by early Tyson's lateral movement, whereas I think Lewis would always have coped.
However, in terms of skillset Lewis was much more gifted, and had much better movement allowing him to throw a jab from a larger variety of angles. ------------------------** Wlad has underrated footwork, smoother than Lewis, but I could agree Lewis made better use of his footwork and showed better balance and looked more natural grappling although I think Wlad actually grapples better.Go check out that KO Austin for an example of lighting hand speed. Something like 5 left hooks delivered perfectly flush in barely a second's worth of time. Lewis never had anything like that.One of the things I didn't like about Lewis in the first Holy fight was that he appeared to fight scared, which is what most that criticize Wlad here have done a poor job of expressing. He really does look terrified out there at times, but it's been working. He's just 32 with 12 yrs experience and more fights than Lewis. He was a major prodigy coming up and after some setbacks, is just now reaching his potential.Watching him fight a bit like watching someone who has never ice skated try it out. Never now fully what to happen next.
You won't find many in history with a better combination of speed, power, and delivery than that little number.***********************************************... you must be on Quailudes.
... you must be-----------------------------------------** ......a better speller than you? Natch.It was 4 left hooks in a second. The 5th shoots over the collapsing Austin.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOze95-CoWw --@4:45 mark if you don't want to see the whole fight which shows a clinch free Wlad using footwork to control distance in a cautious start.Go find me a quicker heavy combo much less a quicker one handed combo. That should be enough to rattle round your empty noggin for the rest of the day.
Don't disagree with you at all! I loved the rapid fire hooks Wlad threw...truly devastating. I think Lewis (who if memory serves me correctly was commentating) mentioned what great footwork he had so that's testament enough for me. But if I have to compare the two I just go back to Lewis' defence against Briggs (a very dangerous opponent at the time) and watch the variety of shots he threw in the 5th round...lovely jabs and hooks, positioning himself beautifully for overhand rights,,,and then that beautiful duck which has Briggs falling over! (very funny if you're ever thrown a huge airshot in the ring!)...I just think the fluidity of Lewis' movement was superior to Wlad's more rigid style.Either way, it's a pity Wlad has to fight in a heavyweight division worse than the one Lewis fought in. I think he'd have done great in any era, and I think that if he gets to fight Haye people will realise how good a fighter he truly is.
But if I have to compare the two I just go back to Lewis' defence against Briggs------------------------** Agreed that Lewis the better brawler and more natural fighter.Wlad has to be able to box and control things. He gets very nervous looking if he can't do this immediately.Something to consider: Not only are the Kbros at the tip of the top of the charts in KO%, but each has won at least 90% of the rounds contested and have KOs from the first to the last rounds of a fight.Vitali in particular gets cracked for being a big stiff, but check out the Sanders fight against a dangerous southpaw who gets some good cracks in to see the very underrated footwork of Vitali who seldom took flush shots and may have the highest connect % of thrown punches of any fighter.More to the Kbros than meet the common man's eyes.
posted Jul 15, 2008
Always amusing when some boxing fans start using phrases like 'the common man' when trying to give more validity to their arguments. Boxing does seem attract a minority of people with this kind of attitude.
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