posted Jul 4, 2008

"While Roy Keane and Gareth Southgate were given chances at the top" Roy Keane was appointed Sunderland boss when they were last in the Championship... its harly the "Top" as he put it.

I agree with Boblinc's comment "Unfortunately, John is hiding behind the colour thing and like many others blames lack of success on other people rather than lack of ability/experience. "

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posted Jul 4, 2008

Like Shearer he talks rubbish when on the tv, so no wonder no-one has touched him. He seems to think he has some right to manage a football team, perhaps he should try non league, and if any good, work up from there.

He has delusions of grandeur when he was a player also.

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posted Jul 4, 2008

What a surprise!! Playing the same old racism card. Ever thought Barnes that it may be that you just plainly are not up to it.

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posted Jul 5, 2008

65% win rate at Celtic in 8 month is not exactly bad. Sometimes one has to take risks and keep going even if at first things dont work out. Like I have said a few times on this post Barnes needs
to look outside the UK or or repackage himself.

For those saying he ws not that good a player...speak to Liverpool fans and ex players their opinion says otherwise. In terms of his England career compared to modern day English wingers..what have they archieved with England.

Barnes keep going mate and dont bother writing another article. Silence they say is bliss at times!!

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posted Jul 7, 2008

It seems as if racism is the underlying factor here but I don't think being black has anything to do with managerial talent.

He wants to coach, so drop down to non-league level, work with promising and keen players and if he makes a name for himself there, then his applications to run a bigger club may come his way.

I'm sure lots of smaller foreign teams would be happy to have him as coach and although Celtic may not have been a good first choice, he has a chance to try again.

Being a great or even a good footballer does not always mean that one shall be a gifted coach. There are hundreds if not thousands of gifted footballers that have never made the grade as managers. Many of them just never had the desire to do so.

Over here in Spain, ex-West Ham full back Kenny Brown came and played a couple of seasons at Torrevieja, close to Alicante and now manages CD Javia, which is probably more akin to non-non league football, but it's a starting point.

Keep your dreams John but realise that it might be best to start small and work your way into the Premiership.

Talent not colour should rule. By playing the black card Barnes may alienate himself from possible clubs that might be interested but may view him as arriving with baggage and a 'black' chip on his shoulder which they may not wish to be associated with.

Barnes needs to prove himself elsewhere and then look to getting another gig in the big time.

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posted Jul 8, 2008

If you put this in a non football context, someone going for a job with 9 months experience for that role, would not get a look in compared to others with years to their name. For every Southgate, getting his big chance, there are probably 30 ex-players who start in Non-League and work their way up. Look at Nigel Clough for example, arguably as good a player as Barnes and son of the finest managerial pedigree, where's he been plying his trade? Burton Albion ... Another former England 'legend' Andy Sinton, is doing an excellent job at Fleet Town (Rymans Div 1) - (coincidentally where Leroy Rosenior started out his managerial career). I think the days of a 'big name' being able to stroll into a lower league club are coming to an end, no matter who it is.

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posted Jul 8, 2008

John Barnes was a great player who never got his props. When he was at Liverpool he was instrumental in commanding midfield, he played with a genius status. Liverpool never wanted him to even wear the Captains armband bespite him playing superbly in all competition. When he was in England he was far underrated and how can a soccer player who is mediocre play 78+ caps, thats nonsense.If he was not black he would have made it. To me there are lots of coaches who have performed less than him and have had the benefit of the doubt.

If this had nothing to do with race then we would not be having this conversation. You know all those people who are saying its not a race issue are rascist. Thats the plain truth, if your Black or any other colour you have to impress more than you would have to if you were white. You are all a bunch of hypocritical Aragones

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posted Sep 16, 2008

Not sure what his alleged problems playing for England (producing or nor producing for Queen and Country) has to do with his ability to manage a club - even a lower league club...
How many players who do well at club level reproduce the same at international level? If he didn't the same could be said of most...there's been nothing in the cupboard since '66.

Le Tissier/Hoddle/Barnes were more creative players...remember Ardiles saying that if Hoddle had been argentinian, the coach would've built the team around him. This may be speculation but it shows the way, creative players sometimers have had difficulty fitting in here. Gazza only went to WC when Webb(?) was injured.
We won't know how good a manager he is if he doesn't even get a chance....not necessarily at Premier League (like Southgate and Keane) but at lower leagues...
The media and fans have had problems with Barnes - maybe they want someone who's not skillful but passionate - passion seems all the rage here....like Pearce/Butcher.
Others get the benefit of the doubt - Allardyce, Bryan Robson, that ex-West/Newcastle coach...even when they flop...Celtic nearly 10(?) years ago hardly seems like much of an opportunity...

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posted Sep 16, 2008

Barnes isn't saying he wants to "stroll into a lower league club". He just wants to get into a club - even get a reply to his application!
What's wrong with that?
Trying to bring up his (perceived) personality, how we think his application might have been done, his rapping, etc says it all.

If Shearer applied for a job now, do we doubt he'd get it? Or get a reply at the very least? What's the difference?
Can see Viv Anderson being Bryan Robson's no.2 but not the other way round.

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posted Sep 16, 2008

How many clubs have Bryan Robson or Steve Bruce managed and taken down?
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"I don't see why I should suffer the humiliation of not even getting a reply (to an application)."
(Garth Crooks)
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"Most black players I've spoken to say the reason they don't go into coaching is the lack of opportunity.

"There seems to be the same thinking about black coaches as there was about black players in the 1970s.

"It used to be the case that a manager would look at a black player and think 'he's quick, we'll play him up front or on the wing'. They wouldn't give him a role in the middle.

"I think black coaches are being stereotyped in the same way at the moment. You see black people behind the scenes at football clubs, but not at the helm."
(Les Ferdinand)
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Ferdinand, who worked as a coach at Watford last season, says the circumstances of Roy Keane and Paul Ince illustrate the different ways in which black and white managers are treated.

Both players were combative midfielders who captained their countries and starred for Manchester United during their illustrious careers.

Yet Keane was handed his first managerial opportunity at Championship side Sunderland, while Ince was passed over for the Wolves job before taking the helm at Macclesfield, who were bottom of League Two at the time.

"Roy got a job at Sunderland straight away, and good luck to him," Ferdinand said.

"Paul Ince had a similar status as Roy as a player, yet he gets a job at Macclesfield."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6375921.stm

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