posted May 14, 2008

stoppenflappen

As it stands Liverpool have won more european cups and league titles than Man Utd. OK they haven't won the premier league and it's approaching 20 years since their last triumph but the record still stands. I'm not sure how long the league title one will stand for but I would argue that Liverpool's triumphs have more merit as they won most of theirs while football was still not really corporate (i.e. you need stupid sums of money just to purchase one player) - that started to happen in the 80's, plus the fact they didn't spend as much as Man Utd and other clubs were at the time. I would also argue that Liverpool's European record stands head and shoulders above every other club in the country, and they are still a force to be reckoned with here.

There is no denying that Ferguson is a great boss and has been the key figure in changing Man Utd from being also rans to winners. He proved his credentials with Aberdeen. But I wonder how he would fare with a transfer budget of, say Everton's? Would he do better than David Moyes? I think DM is one of the best managers in the Premier League. I doubt very much Everton would be title challengers even with SAF at the helm given their budget.

What rankles with me is that in the modern era the squad budget of Man Utd and Chelsea pretty much engulfs the rest of the premier league. The sums of money now being earned by the top players is utter madness and the cost of failure is so vast the premier league is becoming an effective cartel with two, possibly 3, very rich and powerful clubs winning the major honours. This is not a healthy position for Football to be in.



Stoppenflappen
Liverpool are the most successful English team, the record speaks for itself. But Your argument regarding Fergie has flaws. When Liverpool won most of thier trophys, NO ONE had vast amounts of money and Liverpool being a top team had more than others.Plus the more Money a manager has the more pressure is upon him to succeed, esspecially in the modern game. SAF is the greatest manager in the modern era, do you really think DM, great manager that he is, is as good as Fergie? There have been more Managers Sacked in the last 20 years than ever, regardless of money. SAF has won more Major trophys than any other Manager in the modern era, even challenging the old firm and then establishing the youth policy at Old trafford. Love him or hate him he is the best.
Liverpool have won the most Major Honours as a club, but Fergie is the most successful manager ever.We can all find excuses as to why this has happened. The cartel that you mention happens to be 4 clubs, Liverpool have the biggest squad in the prem.

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posted May 14, 2008

"dont bullcrap stoppem... look at villa averton portsmouth
did THE BIG 3 get to the fa cup final. NO!
just cos liverpool cant win crap."

As it stands Liverpool have won more european cups and league titles than Man Utd. OK they haven't won the premier league and it's approaching 20 years since their last triumph but the record still stands. I'm not sure how long the league title one will stand for but I would argue that Liverpool's triumphs have more merit as they won most of theirs while football was still not really corporate (i.e. you need stupid sums of money just to purchase one player) - that started to happen in the 80's, plus the fact they didn't spend as much as Man Utd and other clubs were at the time. I would also argue that Liverpool's European record stands head and shoulders above every other club in the country, and they are still a force to be reckoned with here.

There is no denying that Ferguson is a great boss and has been the key figure in changing Man Utd from being also rans to winners. He proved his credentials with Aberdeen. But I wonder how he would fare with a transfer budget of, say Everton's? Would he do better than David Moyes? I think DM is one of the best managers in the Premier League. I doubt very much Everton would be title challengers even with SAF at the helm given their budget.

What rankles with me is that in the modern era the squad budget of Man Utd and Chelsea pretty much engulfs the rest of the premier league. The sums of money now being earned by the top players is utter madness and the cost of failure is so vast the premier league is becoming an effective cartel with two, possibly 3, very rich and powerful clubs winning the major honours. This is not a healthy position for Football to be in.

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your argument in pretty silly to be honest when liverpool use to be the top team in england theres no doubt about that but i think the idea was the same all to do with money players then wanted to go to the top teams not cause they wanted high wage bills but they knew they be more successful i.e win trophies get bonuses and sponsor deals yes you right the money is no where the same but it jst like mars mate 15 years aog they were 10p now they are 50p 5 times as much so with time things change hence why managers have to.

now moving on to if SAF is nto as good as DM well lets look at some buys Ole 1.5M cantona cant remember but pretty cheap ronaldo i think 12m 2 years ago pretty cheap now tell me what buys DM has made over the years which have made such an impact my point being spending loads of money like the russian club in london doesnt mean u be successful what does make u successful is a good manager and scouting system and manager more u only have to look at Greece in the euro's point made.

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posted May 15, 2008

I`m surprised that the feature `how the title was won` is on the liverpool page

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posted May 15, 2008

i think man u is the best club and team in the world and sir alex has done a wonderful job these season. no doubt he should be recognise as the best manager ever leaved. and ronaldo and rooney are the best thing that have ever happen to man u... i love u all and bbc guys keep up the good work all the best to u all and united please complete my joy by wining the champions league... Ronaldooooo is World best player in the planet.. peace-out man u4 live.

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posted May 20, 2008

King United

How is it silly? Things have changed massively since the invention of the premier league. I think that Liverpool were there or thereabouts budget wise at the start but everyone knows that nowadays they lack the spending power united and Chelsea have and consequently have fallen away somewhat.

Purchases…Yes, Cantona and Ronaldo were good purchases and SAF should be given credit for them but both United and Chelsea have spent £20 million plus several times on just one player – Liverpool did it for the first time with Torres. Benitez has spent a lot of money but I think you will find that both SAF and JM outspent him quite comprehensively.

Kstand

Correct – budgets were far smaller in the 1970’s and 1980’s but it was Man Utd amongst others that continually spent more comparatively at that time, yet did not achieve the success Liverpool did.

I am a big admirer of David Moyes. In the scheme of things he has worked wonders with Everton with a budget far smaller than many other teams. Is he as good as SAF? Good question, but the point I was making was whether SAF could do better with Moyes’s budget and my opinion is that he would struggle to push Everton much further without the considerable financial might he is now accustomed to.

The cartel has effectively become 2 – at this time I don’t see any reason to doubt that either Man Utd or Chelsea will be champions next season with Arsenal possibly a dark horse bet. Liverpool will not challenge because they don’t have the finances or the strength in depth to do so. So, in 2008/9 I think we will be fighting for 4th – yet again.

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posted May 21, 2008

comment by *stoppemfloppen (U5303219)
posted 19 Hours Ago


How is it silly? Things have changed massively since the invention of the premier league. I think that Liverpool were there or thereabouts budget wise at the start but everyone knows that nowadays they lack the spending power united and Chelsea have and consequently have fallen away somewhat.

Purchases…Yes, Cantona and Ronaldo were good purchases and SAF should be given credit for them but both United and Chelsea have spent £20 million plus several times on just one player – Liverpool did it for the first time with Torres. Benitez has spent a lot of money but I think you will find that both SAF and JM outspent him quite comprehensively.


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Absolute nonsense on all counts.
You really need to educate yourself about your own club before talking about them.

Prior to RA buying Chelsea and spending vast sums, Liverpool were the biggest total spenders in Premiership history - as in they had spent the most.
Since Benitez has arrived Liverpool have spent considerably more, both gross and net, than United.

As for Liverpool's success in the 70's and 80's, how do you think it was done if it wasn't by spending money?
Just because the money they spent then is not "big" by todays standards, it certainly was back then.

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posted May 21, 2008

Ignore the Scouse hate campaign to belittle all of United's recent achievements (all equally as poignant as their silverware they
are so happy to regale in regular conversation) We have, as always, bigger things to think about tonight and the bitterness is in full flow today on 606.

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posted May 22, 2008

stoppemfloppen

I think you should look into the history of your own club regarding spending and your wage bill.

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posted May 22, 2008

Stoppem
SAF is the best Manager ever. He has won nearly 30 major trophysd. You cannot compare David Moyes with SAF.

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posted May 24, 2008

The matter about spending huge sums of money, SAF spent £30 million on ferdinand and on rooney aswell. But since those players have been there they have won a combined 3 league titles, 1 league cup, 1 european cup, and 1 FA cup, so united have made there money back by winning the trophys. Liverpool, chelsea and Arsenal spend however much but dont make there money back examples are shvchenko, torres, reyes.

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