posted Apr 28, 2008

If I am recalling correctly, the whole thing went like this ...

At the end of the race, two losers sitting under the shadow, were discussing: who among them would have won the race had the current winner was absent. Then there was a discussion, then an argument and next a fight (as usual between two confused species).

Euro qualification is over. Both of them (Scot & England) have failed; rather the whole English family failed to represent. Retain a bit shame to avoid "The Indian syndrome: best among the rest".

Till then, let me, the CONFUSED ENGLISH, remain confused over the stupidity of such hypothetical issues.

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posted Apr 28, 2008

Hibee336

Stats would show otherwise. Take it you were in hibernation during the qaulification for Euro 2008.

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No I wasn't in hibernation my friend, in fact I took quite an interest in YOUR country's qualification campaign seeing as it influenced Italy's outcome.

I stand by my earlier assertion that Scotland 'punch above their weight'. When playing (so-called) bigger sides you tend to raise your game, making up for the technical differences with a higher workrate.

Unfortunately, when the roles are reversed, and Scotland are the aggressors, they are often found wanting (i.e. Georgia & Ukraine) and manage to squander any well-earned opportunities to progress in a competition/group.

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I don't often defend English players but they aren't the only ones who take the money and run. For instance, the two previous Scotland managers did a legger for more money. Believe me, English players aren't the only ones led by their bank balances, it's an issue that's common in loads of countries.

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posted Apr 29, 2008

Grit, determination and pride only take you so far. Fair enough, Scottish players seem to have bags more of the stuff than their Southern neighbours but these attributes are not enough to win you football games.
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But you stated this and the results from the qaulification matches would obviously suggest otherwise. We won more games than we lost by doing this.

Yes well for a managers who were at te stage of thier career like McLiesh, there was just too much of a gap where we would not be playing. He took the money and went down south. Any national manager in this position would do the same.

What I have been saying is the Engalnad players care so much about thier wage packets they don't really bother with performing to thier full on the national stage. In no way what so ever Scotland do this. Almost every single one of our lads would pay oput thier own pocket to represent our cournty. That is the diff between us and them.

Also the guy rambling on about hypotheticals, I have one thing to say to you. You're arguement has a valid point but if you were in our situation and us yours, there would be no mention of the hypotheticals from you as the bitterness that you display would be replaced by pride for you're country.

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posted Apr 29, 2008

I don't often defend English players but they aren't the only ones who take the money and run. For instance, the two previous Scotland managers did a legger for more money. Believe me, English players aren't the only ones led by their bank balances, it's an issue that's common in loads of countries
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Don't try and suggest that what the Scotland managers fdone was similar to the England players attitude. They are unmotivated primaddona's, our managers just could not refuse the salary rise. Its not as if the managers were getting paid so low for doing thier job that they could not be bothered even for thier own country. Two very different situations.

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posted Apr 29, 2008

Determination

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posted Apr 29, 2008

Hibee 336

(1) ''But you stated this and the results from the qaulification matches would obviously suggest otherwise. We won more games than we lost by doing this.''
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BUT you failed to qualify. And most Scotland fans would agree that it wasn't the defeats to Italy that prevented you from qualifying, it was the games against Ukraine and Georgia - a situation that might have been avoided if you had more technical, ball-playing players and a bit more composure.


(2) ''Yes well for a managers who were at te stage of thier career like McLiesh, there was just too much of a gap where we would not be playing. He took the money and went down south. Any national manager in this position would do the same.''
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OK, I admit that wasn't the fairest of comparisons, it was ambition on McLeish's part. But at the same time, Scotland have their best set of players in a long time (going by results) and the guy jumps ship - in other countries it would have caused an outcry. Just wondering, what was the reaction in Scotland?


(3) ''What I have been saying is the Engalnad players care so much about thier wage packets they don't really bother with performing to thier full on the national stage. In no way what so ever Scotland do this. Almost every single one of our lads would pay oput thier own pocket to represent our cournty. That is the diff between us and them.''
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This is common in most countries who have some of the world's biggest players in their ranks. To use that group of English players who fall into that category and compare with Scottish players is a tad unfair. Every Englishman and his dog would love to represent his country, it's just that some of these lads have lost their motivation.

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posted Apr 29, 2008

Alright, I get what you mean now. I thought you actually meant these qualities qwere not enough to win games and I was just saying that Lithuainia, Georgia (1st time), France twice and a draw with ukraine were not all just by chance. I thought this was what you were implying.

I don't think there was much fuss after McLiesh left because to be honest he is not that great a manager. We knew that if we failed to make Euro 08 then we would be looking for a new manager. Hopefully burly can continue the good work though.

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posted Apr 29, 2008

No probs Hibee. Let's end this thing on a good note, mate.

Good luck with your qualification for 2010.

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posted May 2, 2008

i tell you what respect the scotts lost...
I was proper routing for them to do well... then i hear more than one fan saying if we lose it wont bother us as long as England dont go through!! how arrogant is that?

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posted May 12, 2008

Well atleast Scotland don't boo other teams National anthems. Yeah you know what I'm talking about England against Croatia. Have some respect.

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