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im all for players not crowdin the refs but mascherano should not of been sent of.. he was just talkin calmly to the ref.. properly tryin to explain wat torres had said in spainish...Bennett is an awful refthis hasnt done the respect for ref cause any gd coz he has made a howler of a decesion to send him off
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posted Mar 27, 2008
DavidSalaman - you are aboslutly right the referees cant see the incident from 20 different angles (really its 4, 6 tops) but why not i think technology should be used to improve and restore the beautiful game why not assign a 5th officail to watch the incident and decide if the incident deserves a yellow or red or neither, by all means let the referee make his decision but if like mascherano's sending off its totally wrong then he should be allowed on 3-4 minutes later instead of missing the derby because he asked "whats happening" (and lets face it thats the bottom line).Blueytheone (nice username) and Andrewjs77 - i agree that disension and diving should be tackled equally (no pun intended) and that the most important thing is Consistency (i think u and bennet should stand side by side while writing 500 lines "I will not make stupid mistakes" =) im kinda serious about Bennet tho) without consistency the player dont know what they can and cant get away with. but until FIFA/The FA/UEFA (i don't know whose higher) decide that a rule book equlivilent to "the refs decision is right" these argument will continue.when i say that there should be a 5th official watching the match i dont mean like a certain sport where it takes 4-5 minutes to determine each incident i mean all decisions get looked at but only the wrong ones get changed.and i know the next comment will be some half thought out response by an idiot with no brain claiming everything ive said is wrong in broken slang english thats immpossible to read (every public forum is the same)P.S. sorry about the long comment
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U11221339 (and i thought my posts were long) gives a resonabely fair assessment and if true then it proves mascherano deserved his cardbut i for one don't remember it that way (whether thats my memory or not is a fair question) but i remember mascherano coming over and asking Bennet "What's happening?" getting a red and then with no words or actions Bennet immediately turned and walked swifly away from Mascherano in the exact opposite direction of the free kick (not to get on with the match basicaly) and Mascherano is seen on camera going to Bennet asking "what was that for?" and when bennet refused to even look at him let alone respond thats when mascherano lost his temper.my point is that Bennet showed complete disrespect for mascherano by ignoring him after a sending off he didn't deserve (regardless of his previous action during the game)my evidence for what i have seen was sky sports news (maybe 3 im not sure) at around 2pm (english time)
posted Mar 28, 2008
Bennett was dead right on mascherano. He had so many gos at the ref and was lucky to have lasted as long as he did. What an idiot. Him and Benitez are an embarrassment to the game and it really does prove how very detached they are from reality. Any fairminded assessment of the matter must side with the ref. For there to be so many offering excuses for the players behavior and saying the ref got it wrong is a sad indictment on the paucity of football knowledge out there. and another thing...anybody agree that Gerrard could and should have dealt with this better. he could have got hold of Mascherano yonks before the sending off and rattled some sense into him. Bad captain and a bad result taken with worse grace.
The Mascherano sending off sets precedence that is now difficult to follow. If that was worth a card then Rooney's gotta go within the first 15 mins of most games. Nolan in the game against Wigan also springs to mind as he was constantly at the referee. I agree with other comments that there needs to be consistency, how referess get to that point will be interesting.
Swearing at a referee is not dissent, it is foul and abusive language and granted earlier in the game he could have been sent off for it.Dissent is by definition disagreeing (a different offence) and asking someone what's happening is not disagreeing.People shouldnt try to cover up inconsistent refeering decisions by muddying the water!
refeering should not be treat like god,that decition are bored the premieship for sure.
The standard of refereeing amongst the select group is a disgrace, few of them are fit to referee at this level. Abuse cannot be condoned, but with so much at stake it is these disgracefully low standards which cause the frustration which leads to the abuse. The promotion & assessment system is worthless and has lead to the referees who attract the most publicity rather than the best ones being elevated to the top. Most referees at lower levels are embarassed by the antics and the personality defects of the select group refs.
posted Mar 29, 2008
Mascherano was just being stupid. Nothing to do with him and he goes saying stuff to the ref. Pure stupidity. <doh>
"i was watching it with a friend of mine who is a utd fan and he turned to me and said he couldn't understand - no really bad tackles and all these cards appear. the ref bottled it pure and simple - ferdinand got booked for nothing as well, torres for GETTING kicked. Bennet should have to answer for his performance."==============So was I, & his reaction was the same - "What was THAT for?"I know if I was a Manc though, after a minute's reflection & considering who was involved, I'd be all over Masch & supporting Bennett... ...so I tuned into the French summarisers to try to get some neutral feedback (let's face it, EVERY fan of a PL club will have their own bias) - and they couldn't come to terms with the gross inconsistency of the decision. Mascherano's crime had been committed a hundred times by other players just this season, with nothing like the same kind of punishment. If there is a change in the way discipline is enforced, it should be a policy change that is publicised and applied across the board, rather than off the the bat of any one particular ref.I for one would prefer if this had been the attitude of refs from game 1 of the season - I don't like seeing players get in the ref's face, whether it's Terry, Rooney, Savage, Carragher or whoever.
He deserved to go and should be banned for 5 games!...............Who is it we're talking about? ....When this thread started Jimmy Hill was still playing for Coventry!;)
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