posted Mar 13, 2008

Also just read something rather mad about him (O'Neil Bell) he's been missing since Aug 07 after going AWOL before a scheduled fight. A couple of months prior to that he was arrested for throwing an axe at his sparring partner for getting the better of him... what a guy....

Ps I heard some gossip that a well known world champ got knocked out in a nightclub by a doorman.. does anyone have any idea who that might be:

Bets:

Clinton Woods
Wouldn't be JC as he's in training and therefore shouldnt be out on the beer
Jnr Witter
Hatton - probably not he's seems tidy

Anyone???

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posted Mar 13, 2008

After the Haye/Mormeck fight I was hearing plenty of stuff from Enzo fans saying Enzo's the true no.1 Cruiser and that he could easily knock "chinny" Haye out.

Now that Haye's demolished him, they're saying well now Haye's gone, Enzo can easily knock Mormeck, Bell and Cunningham out.

Yes they may be old, but so is Calzaghe, Hopkins, Witter etc. and they're still dangerous boxers.

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posted Mar 13, 2008

White23,

What you fail to understand or take on board, is that Bell, Mormeck & Cunningham are proven, and Enzo just isn't.

I've asked you on numerous occasions what are you basing this opinion on?
I'll make a suggestion to you, is it the performance against a shot Braithwaite?

You can argue until you are blue in the face that Enzo will 'blow' them all away, but there is no substance to the argument. He hasn't been in with anyone special, bar Haye, and he was marmalised.
It's exactly the same as when you said Enzo was clamouring for the fight and Haye backed down on two occasions. He didn't, Haye and Warren have both said that Warren wanted options on Haye, even on the occasion when he'd signed to fight Mormeck. This is what i mean when accuse you of looking through rose tinted glasses.

All i base my opinions on are fact, and several of us have consistently posted them on this thread to give substance to our opinions. You however, just claim to have a 'source'.

I have perspective to my opinions. For instance, I think Haye will do great things at heavy, but i believe at some point he may get dropped because he holds his left hand far to low.

You, despite all the evidence, refuse to accept that Maccarrinelli is:

a) Not a world class boxer

b) A protected fighter

This is the last time i am ever going to post with you, because despite all your writings, you have still not answered my original question.

You say Maccrinelli is the No 2 of the divsion and that he would 'blow' the other big three away, WHAT ARE YOU BASING THAT OPINION ON?

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posted Mar 13, 2008

unfortunately the few outweigh the many - I said all along it was a tough fight for Enzo that was literally 50-50 kill or be killed...

thats why I stayed up till stupid o clock to watch it .....

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posted Mar 13, 2008

Let me pose a hypothetical situation in the SuperMiddleweight division and in this hypothetical situation, Calzaghe's not there.

There are 4 boxers in question; Kessler, Boxer B, Boxer C, Boxer D.

Kessler becomes undisputed no.1 by beating Beyer but in his next fight loses to Boxer B. However he beats Boxer B in a tight rematch.

Boxer D, who's other "big" win came against an ex-champion Robin Reid, beats a down and out Beyer but follows that step in class by beating unknowns Jesse Brinkley and Jean Pascal.

Boxer C meanwhile is defeated in a questionable decision loss in Russia against Denis Inkin but wins the rematch. He then goes to the UK to beat Carl Froch for a title.

Now how would you rank those super middleweights based on accomplishments?

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posted Mar 13, 2008

Heli - I'd crossed threads here so I've just seen above what you wrote..

I thought his performances against Hobson/Braithwaite were good.

I think he is limited but is a solid boxer but its about STYLES - THIS is what I am basing my opinion on!!

Styles make fights rather than simple governing body rankings..

Haye - I know options are part of it. A very good friend of mine had to turn down a very lucrative fight for the same reason last year. He wasn't worried about the fight though it was just about if/when he won he'd be a bit stuck - my point was that Enzo has been ready and willing to arrange that fight for a year. I'm sorry to offend your sensibilities but that my friend is true...

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posted Mar 13, 2008

Looking at the fights result and then comparing Haye's confidence in the ring with Enzo's rabbit in headlights performance... I think it's very clear to see that Haye wanted that fight more than Enzo, and it would be safe to say that it was ALWAYS the case.

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posted Mar 15, 2008

i can see your point, as it happens going into the ring I thought Haye would win as EM did look more nervous than I've seen him before....

Haye looked like he didn't have a care in the world.

I'm an Enzo fan and it just hit me then that he was going to lose..

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posted Mar 15, 2008

I wish people would stop spouting this Frank Warren 50/50 fight rubbish.

I can accept people thinking that before the fight, but after the fight it should be obvious that Haye is clearly a class above. His shots were far sharper, crisper, mentally he was more prepared. Rather than say it was 50/50 it is much fairer to say Enzo had a punchers chance. that's it.

Re: Macca v Mormeck, Bell or Cunningham.

IMO he would lose to Mormeck by knockout. Haye was able to wear Mormeck down with withering body punches, I'm not sure Maccarinelli would be able to cope as well as Haye with Mormeck coming onto him. Haye went down to a knee, but kept his cool and recovered. Could Maccarinelli against that level of operator? I'm not convinced.

Bell - I suspect Bell will never fight again now he's done a disappearing act. But looking at Bells chin and his aggressive style I think the Bell that fought Mormeck 3 times would probably do a job on Maccarinelli. He has a great chin, and is a concussive puncher. However, it's likely he's a shadow of his former self now. Given his mental state it's impossible to predict how he'd react.

Cunningham - He's a class boxer, but doesn't have too much sting. However the way he mauled Marco Huck leads me to believe he would simply have to much class. Enzo is a good boxer, but he's a little mechanical, a little bit basic. It would take someone with Cunninghams brain about 5 seconds to work him out. Cunningham has a good solid chin, and slick skills. I just think it's too much.

However, this said, Macca is only 27. He's suffered a bad loss, but this may make him reassess his game, and possibly improve. I think if he plays to his strength on his day he could give any of these guys a good fight. The next twelve months will be about getting some confidence back.

I still think he could be a world champion again.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

To be honest, regardless of his quality as a boxer, I will always automatically back anyone fighting Haye as Haye has chosen to base himself in Northern Cyprus - as a Greek Cypriot, his choice to side with an unrecognised nation suspected of numerous war crimes, the murder of over a thousand of my compatriots and stealing land of many more offends me.

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