posted Feb 28, 2008

If you're trying to say that Boro appealing against the card is NOT the same as the player appealing against the card ... you're wrong ..it is EXACTLY the same thing

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posted Feb 28, 2008

As a United fan I have to say its a joke: at the stage the game was at I don't think he shoul have been sent off at all, let alone get an increase in ban for that. How is that slap worse than a two-footed lunge that can break a leg?

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posted Feb 28, 2008

To all on this site,
please note as the FA have come out with all the rubbish and excuses as well as quoteing FIFA rules, I like one other subsciber to this site said about the FA we both seem to have been fobbed off with the same rubbish and mine was on RACISM.

But let me tell you of my main point, not so long ago when Bates was in charge at Chelsea, they were up to the FA for team fighting on the pitch the out come would have been £250.000 fine, the letter setting the date for the hearing was lost in the post, no firther action taken,??.

I think if they check FIFA rules they may find something like why the hell did you not send another one then.

I rest my case judge as they say ??.

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posted Feb 28, 2008

Why do people persist in using these Andy Grayisms like 'if you raise your hands you're off'. It's just not true. 'Raising your hands' is not an automatic sending-off, the ref has to decide if it's violent conduct or not, and clearly there was nothing violent about what the Boro player did, it was more a gesture than anything and a booking for both players would have sufficed.

Now, if Aliadiere had punched the Liverpool player and put him on his backside then that would have been violent conduct, and if they had appealed that then you could say it was a frivolous appeal. Oh, and he only would have got a three match ban if he'd put Macsherano on his backside with a proper punch.

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posted Feb 28, 2008

" it was more a gesture than anything "

Complete rubbish

You hit a player in the face ...you get a red. End of. That's the rule. Or are you seriously expecting refs to stand there and weigh up " now ..that slap was of a force equivalent to 17 pounds per sq. inch. That's acceptable " ... or " that slap was excessive, at 33 pounds per sq.inch ... so that's a red card "

FFS ....

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posted Feb 28, 2008

No axe to grind, but...
Surely the episode suggests there must be some element of judgement from the referee? He must have thought "the force from Mascherano's hand-to-face slap was within my acceptable threshold, but the force from Aliadiere's response was above it". Otherwise I can't understand the no card for the first and red card for the second. Unless he blinked and missed Mascherano's strike... and the linesman missed it as well.... and the FA (who insist that they treat all miscreants the same, regardless of club) missed it on the video replay.
I'm afraid it does smell rather badly of double standards.

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posted Feb 28, 2008

I agree we can debate forever whether Mascherano should have got a card too ..or whether the ref even saw that part of the spat ...that's a separate ... but this thread is purely about whether Aliadiere should have got a 4 match ban for HIS part in all of this .. and the answer to that is ..YES

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posted Feb 28, 2008

comment by Firstofthegangtodie
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What are you on mate? There's NO question of whether it was a red card or not and it's been explained many times on this thread that he got an extra 1 game ban for takin' the P and appealing against the red when he had no case

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more like wot are u on u daft git! it was perhaps the weakest slap ever and hes got a 3 match ban, which was then increaed to 4 coz his club appealed, which somehow got him in more s**t and u think its all fine and dandy? r u a newcastle fan or do u really have no sense whatsoever?

big name players get far too much protection and its ridiculous! the FA haven't got a clue what they are doing, i say we put Jeremy Clarkson in charge, he talks sense, he'll give them both a slap on the wrist, make them kiss and make up!

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posted Feb 28, 2008

When you come down from whatever you've taken caleysaints90 ...you'll be so embarrassed at the total pish you've just spouted

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posted Feb 29, 2008

I’m still missing the logic. Either:

* A sending off for violent conduct is judgemental, in which case provocation and hardness of the slap will enter into the equation (and an appeal cannot be considered “frivolous”)

OR

* All hand-to-face contact is a mandatory sending off for violent conduct. If so, Mascherano should have also walked and should now be serving a 3 match ban, with no need for either side to appeal.

If by some strange coincidence, all 3 officials missed the initial contact, then there’s plenty of video evidence. By now the FA should have had the chance to review this evidence, yet they haven’t given any punishment to Mascherano. Why not? I can only conclude that the FA reviewed the incident and “judged” his contact as not being worthy of a sending off…
… which brings me back to my first point.

Personally, I think that the ref saw both incidents but his judgement was swayed by the crowd’s reaction. All Middlesbrough are asking the FA for is equal treatment, either on the pitch or, failing that, off it. What they are getting is the reverse, the FA coming down hard on their team and player yet taking no action on a Big-Four team and player. Hence their justifiable indignation and claims of double standards.

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