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France v England - the word on the streets

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What a difference four months can make.

Last October, Paris was awash with white-shirted Englishmen giddy with excitement, biere and pie-eyed optimism.

Free hotel rooms were rarer than hairs on the scalp of Shaun Edwards. Match tickets were changing hands for twenty times their face value. Friends you hadn’t seen for 15 years were suddenly getting in contact and casually asking if you knew anyone at the RFU who might be able to “do them a favour”.

This time around, Paris is as Paris always was before.

Men in leather trousers smoke outside cafes. Women wearing sunglasses drag small aggressive dogs through heavy traffic. The small dogs defecate all over the pavements. The men in leather trousers shrug their shoulders at other men wearing orange ponchos.

At the Gare du Nord, Eurostar trains are arriving with some seats still empty. Zulu-era British soldiers are not dancing in the street with friends dressed as the Queen. No-one has tried to kiss a policeman.

The hard core have made it over, but it is an expeditionary force rather than an invasion. And with just hours to go until kick-off, the natural negativity of the English sport fan is in full bloom.

“A pessimist is never disappointed,” 45-year-old Steve Green tells me, with only half an eye on one of the women in sunglasses.

His friend Daniel Herbert, who witnessed the second-half debacles against Wales and Italy, has a simple solution. “I’m going to walk out at half-time,” he says.

The only way any of them can see England winning is if they adhere to what we might call the Dean Richards school of international relations – stick it up your jumper and smash the Frenchman.

It’s almost reassuring to see national sporting stereotypes proved so durable. England must try to win by rumbling slowly over their opponents like tanks in first gear; the French should attack like lunatics from all over the shop, essaying moves so expansive that no-one will be allowed to touch down for a try until every player in the team has handled the ball at least eight times and sold two extravagant dummies apiece.

Only when you talk to the French fans do you realise that the hangover from England’s World Cup semi-final win is still haunting the host country.

The front page of the Midi Olympique newspaper summed up Gallic fears beautifully - an enormous close-up picture of Andrew Sheridan, Simon Shaw and Phil Vickery with the apocalyptic headline “ILS ARRIVENT” emblazoned across the top.

“Les Francais retrouvent Samedi a les Anglais avec une charniere inexperimentee Parra/Trinh-Duc et un bauteur de circonstance, Traille. Attention a la casse!” warned the main article, which for those of you with even worse French than Mark Regan, roughly translates as, “We’re going out against these brutes with a pair of kids and a bloke who can’t kick? Help!”

Davide, a hulking former second-row who has travelled from Caen for the match, is genuinely scared by what England’s pack might do to his inexperienced side.

“Sherry-dan,” he groans miserably, shaking his head, before revealing that the semi-final defeat hurt him so badly that he couldn’t sleep in the same room as his English girlfriend for two days afterwards.

“Your forwards are so strong,” he says. “Yes, Heymans and Clerc are playing well, but if we don’t have the ball, what can they do?

“Rugby is about forwards. I should know. I was captain of my team, and in all that time I only spoke to a back once. In fact, I can only count up to eight.”

The effect of his words is lost slightly when he strides off singing Donna Summer’s “Love to Love You Baby”, but his point is clear: the English might be scared of the French, but the French are also seriously scared by England.

Davide’s friend Sebastien harbours equally dark thoughts.

“You have Wilkinson to kick. We have Traille. I like what Lieveremont is trying to do, but this worries me."

Pessimism versus fear. Brute strength against fling-it-about flair. Old hands v young kids. Even the women in sunglasses might want to watch it.

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posted Feb 23, 2008

It's a good thing the Wales game is first up, I'll be able to get that out of the way first and observe the other two games as a neutral. I'll be watching all three from my current residence in Auvergne in central France. At first, I would have given England no chance of winning a 6N game in France but now on second thought, I think that they are in with a shout. Ashton seems to be showing the same kind of optimism he was showing before the WC clash between these two sides and let's face it, the English never like losing to Les Bleus. I wouldn't mind seeing France beaten either, it would mean that us taffs are the only ones left with a chance of a Grand Slam, presuming we can get past Italy today.

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posted Feb 23, 2008

Are the beeb going to send you boys to Beijing as well? I'd love you to take a camper van all the way from Dover to China!

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posted Feb 23, 2008

In my local bar in the Limousin I was assured by the greasy smiling peasant who runs the place that all of France was going to dine on Ros Bif tonight. If we do lose I am not going back for weeks....

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posted Feb 23, 2008

Allez Les Bleus.
France should be capable of retaining flair and matching England up front. Let's see some open Rugby from both teams, not 8 guys in white shirts,trundelling about the park with the ball, looking for another pack for push against. Boring,just plain boring.

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posted Feb 23, 2008

“Les Francais retrouvent Samedi les Anglais avec une charniere inexperimentee Parra/Trinh-Duc et un buteur de circonstance, Traille. Attention a la casse!”
they are coming saturday,we will play them with an inexperienced 9-10 and a circumstancial kicker.Watch out for the damage!!
My little contribution to a roughly translation ,is this thread so different from

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posted Feb 23, 2008

OldFryUp, it's boring but part of the game. It's legal so can be used for how much the English forwards want. You French will have to get a way of reducing the damage that will be caused by them. And do never forget it: rugby players are not there to entertain Joe Public. They are there to win in whatever way possible. Enjoy the defeat!

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posted Feb 23, 2008

England: Whatever you guys say, rather play the game openly and attractively and lose than play "keep the ball" for 85 minutes... Hopefully the new laws coming from the southern hemisphere will disencourage your style of play ! MERCI

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posted Feb 23, 2008

59 minutes my wine my baguette my saucisson de haute savoie E4 beer FROM irish pub women almost nackt my wife Waiting!!!
According to flugence OUE, Liev has sth special to
counter english or british forwards

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posted Feb 23, 2008

DON'T TELL ENGLAND TO STOP PLAYING "BORING RUGBY"!!!

If you find the rugby boring don't watch it. Winning is EVERYTHING. If you want entertainment go to the theatre. International rugby is tough. Players have enough on their plate to win matches without so called supporters calling them to win by scoring 5 tries with maybe a pirouette on the way. The world cup was brilliant because we won. Full stop. Do you think New Zealand fans enjoyed it after playing exciting rugby....

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posted Feb 23, 2008

****Edit: the world cup was brilliant because we won matches and almost won the whole damn thing

Whoops! rant rather diminished with that schoolboy error!!

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