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Abject England, as weak as water (Part 2)

One-day internationals England
by Ben_luvs_cricket (U6896847) 12 February 2008
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It is good to see that Cook is getting a fair run at the top of the order. He is a good complimenting opener to Mustard as he allows his colleague to take on the bowling. Despite missing out on the 20/20 matches, Cook has put in three very good performances so far on this tour and slowly his class seems to be showing through in the one-day arena. It is little wonder that he is being touted as the FEC. The man is only 23 years of age; yet he is playing with a humility and percipience that is frankly putting his senior counterparts to shame.

New Zealand's openers, McCullum and Ryder, showed no mercy whatsoever in their attempt at chasing down the inadequate total set by the opposition. England bowled very badly and the two batsmen slaughtered the bowling to take New Zealand past the winning post of 165 with 107 balls remaining. England had chances but wasted them; dropping McCullum on 0 and Ryder on 8. They finished on 80 and 79 respectively. Even so, England got what they deserved.

With the next game on Friday in Auckland, it is very hard to see how England are going to be able to pick themselves up in time. A plus for the visitors is that things really can't get much worse. Collingwood seemed keen on keeping an unchanged team for this match but after today's result, changes seem inevitable. Bell and Bopara both seem to be in torrid form and the only players who would be likely to come in for them are Luke Wright and Dimitri Mascarenhas. This would leave a probable batting order like so:

1. Alastair Cook
2. Phil Mustard (WK)
3. Kevin Pietersen
4. Paul Collingwood (Capt.)
5. Owais Shah
6. Dimitri Mascarehnas
7. Luke Wright
8. Greame Swann
9. Stuart Broad
10. Ryan Sidebottom
11. James Anderson

It is the opinion of many that Pietersen should bat at three because he is clearly England's best batsman. He should therefore be exposed to as much of the bowling as possible. On his day, Collingwood is most probably the side's second best one-day batsman, hence making him the obvious choice to be England's number four. Dimi Mascarehnas and Luke Wright both played well during the 20/20 series and would add a much needed impetus to the middle order.

England have talent, there is no doubt about that. They showed that they were made of sterner stuff during the 20/20s; yet their sudden loss of confidence is making them as weak as the rain water that disrupted play in Hamilton today. A promising, young and at times, exciting team they may be. It just seems at the moment, many of those promises are rather hollow.

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posted Feb 13, 2008

Fine words from Mr Moores. Fighting words! - But haven't we heard them all before? - I'll be looking for performance, rather than words in Auckland.

OH! And please! No more senseless run outs!

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posted Feb 13, 2008

Lets stop persisting with this insipid lot - collectively they are a bunch of numpties. Why not just replace the lot with the English womens side (currently in Australia). OK, we may still get a hiding but at least the women will play to their abilities and probably with a lot more conviction.

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posted Feb 13, 2008

I think it's slightly unfair that Ravi has been made the scapegoat for all of England's problems personally though I think a spell out of the side will do him (and Essex) some good.
Some of the suggestions here verge on lunacy however. Dimi is a late order slogger, admittedly a potentially very effective one, and should not be batting at number 6. Any comparisons between him and Fred and any suggestion he should get anywhere near the test team are ludicrous.
Calls for the return of Panesar are misguided. He averages 8 more runs per wicket than Swann in ODIs and is a significantly worse batsman and fielder.
I'm confident we will see an improved England performance in the next game. Mainly because it's hard to get much worse

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posted Feb 13, 2008

I cant bare reading the crap that comes out of collingwoods and moores mouth. I am so shell shocked by the last 2 defeats that I am just going to have to sit back and wait for the next game and see what these losers do. We have the players, no doubt about that. Lets get them playing cricket Moores

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posted Feb 13, 2008

Very good article OzT. I agree with every word you said ok

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posted Feb 13, 2008

Dividing the players into 3 squads - the Mickey Mou... sorry, 20/20; 1-day; and Test - has just created a comfort zone in which they feel secure.
I doubt if the glory of winning means much to any of them. If we looked back in 20 years time at the record books which meaningless series will we remember?
We can look back now, say 40 years, to the likes of Sobers, in fact most of the West Indies side, and some great players from England, Australia and SA, but I can't imagine that any player from today will be that much admired in 30 or 40 years time.
The point of this is, their contracts, salaries and current celebrity-status are safe - does anything else matter to them?

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posted Feb 13, 2008

nigeweir... like you I get seriously hacked off listening to the drivel spouted at post-match press conferences.

The players are 'disappointed', or worst of all, 'there are some positives to take away'.

Utter cobblers!!

The players should be gutted, ashamed and have their arses kicked around the dressing room; never mind 'disappointed'!

The only 'positives' that this lot take away are their pay cheques...

Get a grip everybody! This is your country you're playing for (Well, KP excepted, I suppose ...)

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posted Feb 13, 2008

Scouse, we have lost several matches recently. Firstly it was because we lost the toss ( on several occasions) and because of that we got murdered. More recently we apparently misjudged the wicket ( what a bag of arse ),and in the last game we played very well until it rained and then because of the weather, we managed to lose by 10 wickets.
If my cricket team had just lost by 10 wickets against a side we were supposed to whitewash ( how funny is that turning out to be) I would just turn round and say that we were utter rubbish AGAIN and will try and put things right before the next game. I dont want to hear any more pathetic excuses.

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posted Feb 13, 2008

I agree with you nomnuts - whatever Bopara did can't take away from the atrocious performance of the top order and he wasn't responsible for that.....

I search for any sort of rationale behind this dismal pair of results - as Gus Fraser commented in the Independent this morning - England are either wonderful or bloody awful - no half-measures. It's a mystery to me and I think to a lot of other people why this happens. But it certainly does, and it's happened right through cricketing history.

As to what is spouted after matches, blame the medium on which I'm writing now - 24-hour news requires comment, and the poor sportsmen who are not media people are expected to comment intelligently. Clearly it will be bland and boring - sportsmen aren't necessarily geniuses with words so don't blame them for it! Michael Vaughan is unique in my experience as speaking well to the media.

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posted Feb 14, 2008

Its all about underestimation of the oppo
currently the 3rd ranked one day team with 1,2,7,15 ODI ranked bowlers (albiet the no1 is not playing). It is only a year since NZ beat Ausralia by 10 wickets in a 3-0 series win. Looking at stats like that you would expect the odd bad performance. The media seem blind to this obvious fact.

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