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Joe Calzaghe - A Deserved success

by Bourne (U3020163) 09 December 2007
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Joe Calzaghe is BBC Sports Personality Of The Year 2007.

A true champion, 10 years at the top of his game and undefeated in his sport for 17 years. A fantastic win in front of 50,000 fans in Cardiff over Michael Kessler was the crowning glory.

You can't say he didn't earn it !

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posted Dec 11, 2007

But ultimately it's THEIR DECISION.

I've not really seen many fights outside pubs either but if they all have referees, rules, gloves and for extreme circumstances medical teams at hand then they're a lot more benign than I'm led to believe.

It's as senseless as comparing F1 to johnny-boy racers racing on B roads in the middle of the night.

And am I wrong in saying that motorsport leads to more fatalities than boxing? Anecdotally, that's the impression I'm left with.

And a boxer isn't thinking about causing brain damage to his opponent - he's thinking about winning a boxing match in the same sense a judo professional is thinking about winning a judo fight.

This is hardly an impassioned plea from a boxing fan either - I watch far more F1 than boxing. But it's brainless to suggest that Joe Calzaghe isn't a wonderful sportsman - look at him.

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posted Dec 11, 2007

"And a boxer isn't thinking about causing brain damage to his opponent"

no, he is thinking about punching him in the head as hard as he can

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posted Dec 11, 2007

It's people like you who have reduced this country to tatters.

How about change the cricket ball to one made of jelly?

Employ the touch rugby rules throughout the both codes just in case someone stubs their thumb?

Perhaps we should lower the height of a diving board to 0.5m instead of 5m, actually no people shouldn't be diving into a 25ft deep swimming pool in case they miraculously bang their head on the bottom.

Maybe all footballers should wear bubblewrap suits in case they slip on the wet grass and cause themselves an injury.

Archery should be outlawed because what happens if a gust of 500 mph wind catches on of the arrows and it nearly hits someone?

F1 cars should be limited to 10mph. In fact let's ban everything.


Boxing is a professional sport. They are disciplined competitors, there are referees and world class medical teams on hand if anything goes wrong (Which is very rare).

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posted Dec 11, 2007

get a grip. im only targetting boxing. its not rocket science, the aim of boxing is to inflict injury on ur opponent, however u break it down, that is the high-level objective and that is what i have a problem with, no other sports. I'm sure that there will be a time when boxing is banned in this country as it is in several others, and people will look back and think about how barbaric it is.

I think its the narrow minded people that are ruining things actually. Just because u enjoy watching something, doesn't make it ok. think about the bigger picture, open ur mind and be ashamed of both ur views on boxing and ur pathetic post

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posted Dec 11, 2007

But who on Earth is it affecting except for those participating?

You say how boxers want to punch somebody in the head as hard as they can. A rugby union forward - if he's doing his job the best he can do - will stop someone sprinting into him by driving his shoulder into his opponent's solar plexus driving him to the ground intending to wind him so his opponent will have trouble breathing for the next five minutes. That's his high-level objective.

And amateur boxing is not about how hard you hit somebody at all.

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posted Dec 11, 2007

That's an interesting point about the rugby Gaz. Without being too pedantic, i'd argue that a rugby unions high-level objective is to score / prevent trys. But when you word it the way u have there does appear to be scope for argument over the safeness of rugby, but not something i will get into right now.

I feel that the whole boxing problem thing it is to do with people outside of the ring as well. The BBC giving 2 of the top 3 people sports personality awards to boxers is bascially a statement saying that boxing is OK to support. So more people watch it, it becomes more popular etc.

This then brings me back to my previous point about budding young boxers trying their luck with the sport and then finding out far too late that they aren't cut out for it. People say it is their decision, but its a dangerous decision that is being given the go-ahead by the nation. Also pressure from coaches and aspirations to be famous etc. I just wonder how many people find out that boxing is not for them the hard way. It's a very dangerous game whatever way u look at it, and even the headgear worn by amateur boxers has been condemned as pointless; offering no further protection

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comment by Len Day (U2815619)

posted Dec 11, 2007

Some interesting points raised concerning safety. My son was injured playing rugby union a month ago. He has suffered nerve damage in his right shoulder as a result of a particularly 'enthusiastic' tackle. Since then he has no feeing in his arm & cannot write at all. We have been advised by a specialist at the Heath Hospital in Cardiff that he may have to see a plastic surgeon in Swansea. My son is 10 years old.
I still say though that it's worth taking kids to play sport, and contact sport at that, because the discipline & levels of fitness they will attain is far far better for them than doing nothing, especially in the light of all the obesity prolems the country is facing.
By the way, my father was a boxer, as well as being taught to fight by the gypsies as a teenager, and to say his levels of self confidence were sky high would be an understatement to say the least!

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posted Dec 11, 2007

I'm not even going to bother replying again to the ridiculousness of the anti-boxing snobs that are trying to sour a great year for British boxing, despite Hatton's loss.

I hope the thread can end with deserved congratulations for Joe and not with this silly debate that most people who have posted on here do not want to hear.

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posted Dec 11, 2007

"I'm not even going to bother replying again to the ridiculousness of the anti-boxing snobs""

anti-boxing snobs. I agree with that term.

"The BBC giving 2 of the top 3 people sports personality awards to boxers is bascially a statement saying that boxing is OK to support. "

Boxing remains an Olympic sport (albeit in a slightly different guise). It is legal and watched and enjoyed by millions of people in the UK and also all over the World. Rocky (ha ha) is a big screen hero. Right or wrong, Boxing is accepted. So until society through democratic means decides to ban it then the BBC should allow boxers to win the SPOTY if the people vote for them. The BBC is paid for by the British people and it would be wrong and undemocratic for it to pursue and influence by the kind of agenda you are suggesting.

Human society is not perfect or fair to all. There are many sports / professions throughout human history which are legal and down to the individual concerned to weigh up the pros
and cons to the best of their mental ability and learning decide on what they want to do, and follow that path for their own reasons and often as a means to an end. And some people love these choices and some are victims. Boxing, joining the army, tour de france, rugby, motor racing, fire brigade, coal mining etc etc. These all have an large element of danger both short and long term but individuals have the right to choose to do them and to succeed in them.

The "snobs" have their right to attack and punch boxing if they want and are entitled to their voice, but personally I would not single out boxing as the evil in this world i would want to knockout.

If a few men want to pursue the path of boxing as a career and many get their own satisfaction and rewards in life for the benefit of them and their families / friends / fellow man from this then I would let them. Good luck to them. Until society makes it illegal and de-legitimises it then I do not feel I would feel I have the authority to try to belittle Calzaghe's legitimate SPOTY win
as voted for by the British people through the BBC which also represents the nation.

And Calzaghe is very good. Congratulations Joe.

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posted Dec 16, 2007

Here's my advice- appreciate this living legend while he's still around and at the top of the game because Calzaghe is exactly that. He's one of the few sportman this country or any country has produced who can actually be described as being a "great". The record and performances speak for themselves. Just as Michael Jordan was head and shoulders above everyone in basketball, and tiger woods is at golf, we actually have a boxer who boasts a similar level of skill.
Lewis Hamilton? for a start he came second- somthing Calzaghes never come in his entire 17 year pro career. Admittedly Hamilton obviously has some talent but consider this- Formula 1 and motor sport in general is an elitist sport. Most people who get involved in it come from a certain background. I realize Hamiltons doesn't come from a particularly rich background but his dad had to do 2-3 jobs to give him the opportunities he's had. Most kids will never get these opportunities. He's not the best of the best. He's the second best of a very small group of people who have had the opportunity to take up this particular sport. If every child in this country was presented with the opportunities he's had he propbably wouldn't even be a household name- other kids would have made it but they never will because they arn't rich enough or their parents arn't willing to sell an arm and a leg to get them into it. Calzaghe has rose to the top in the toughest of all sports.

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