posted Dec 13, 2007

To all the naive Mclaren fans who defended the indefencible, well what are Ferrari expecting, let see, SORRY!!!!! I can't hear you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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posted Dec 13, 2007

I'd like to know why, following McLaren being found guilty and punished, Ferrari are now going to try and have them punished even more by taking them to court in TWO countries! Are they trying to cripple McLaren to wipe out their only real title rival? That's not sporting at all, they should put it to bed and get on with next seasons preparation instead of dragging it on. It's like trying to give someone a death sentence for stealing a packet of sweets! Grow up Ferrari and let it lie. And no, I'm not a McLaren fan!!

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posted Dec 14, 2007

It would seem to me, that at long last, some common sense has finally broken out within the ranks of the FIA, Ferrari, McLaren and to a certain extent Renault, with a reasonable compromise being found amongst themselves, to save the sport from totally imploding in upon itself. Which could so easily have happened in 2008, had the bitterness and feuding continued to run amok.
Not so amongst some of the combatants on this site however, where having the last word, apparently still takes the higher priority.
Lets all get back to enjoying the sport once more, and allow races and results to be decided upon the track, not in courts of law or in the self serving, sanctimonious hallows of the FIA chambers in Paris, or anywhere else.
Teams need sponsors, Sponsors need TV coverage, TV coverage needs adverts. Adverts need audiences. Audiences expect some credibilty iand belief n what they are viewing. 'Turn off' the billions of viewers around the world and you are back to clubman racing levels of sponsorship again.
F1 reduced to little more than a circus that came to town every year. How would all those fragile, yet enormous, ego's cope with that?

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posted Dec 14, 2007

sbpsman

posted 1 Hour Ago

It would seem to me, that at long last, some common sense has finally broken out within the ranks of the FIA, Ferrari, McLaren and to a certain extent Renault, with a reasonable compromise being found amongst themselves, to save the sport from totally imploding in upon itself. Which could so easily have happened in 2008, had the bitterness and feuding continued to run amok.
Not so amongst some of the combatants on this site however, where having the last word, apparently still takes the higher priority.
Lets all get back to enjoying the sport once more, and allow races and results to be decided upon the track, not in courts of law or in the self serving, sanctimonious hallows of the FIA chambers in Paris, or anywhere else.
Teams need sponsors, Sponsors need TV coverage, TV coverage needs adverts. Adverts need audiences. Audiences expect some credibilty iand belief n what they are viewing. 'Turn off' the billions of viewers around the world and you are back to clubman racing levels of sponsorship again.
F1 reduced to little more than a circus that came to town every year. How would all those fragile, yet enormous, ego's cope with that?

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I have news for you. It's been nothing more than a circus for a few years now. It's never been a sport where all competitors have an even chance from the start. It's always been about money and ego's.

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posted Dec 14, 2007

Why say sorry to Ferrari? What is it exactly anyone is saying negative about Ferrari?

The fault is not theirs it lies firmly at the head of the FIA whic DOES have an unfair interest in seeing Ferrari prosper over others.

And didnt MM say more people see it than they had originally said but that they hadnt used any of the data.

And WHAT WAS THE 'DATA' ANYWAY?

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posted Dec 16, 2007

The debate over "copying" or "cheating" is likely to linger for many years. However, why not just settle this on the racetrack? I suppose that is a little simplistic, given that the FIA has had an undeniable bias towards Ferrari for years (remember the US Grand Prix debacle). Instead of beating up the teams - beat up the FIA. Any sanctioning body that is as totalitarian and autocratic as the FIA needs to be replaced. We don't need a facist running (or is it ruining) our sport!
No-one is denying that what happened was wrong, but to penalize MM for actions taken by a Ferrari employee seems a bit off center. The righteous indignation emanating from Marinello smells to high heaven. The only difference between MM and Ferrari is that Ferrari hasn't been caught yet. There has been no attempt to stop engineers transferring from team to team - and please don't tell me that they are all angels and don't take IP in their heads with them when they move - that is part of the unspoken reason for the job offer in the first place.
Before anyone gets bent out of shape and whines that I am a MM fan - I am not. I am a F1 fan!! This is the most technically interesting racing in the world, executed by superb athletes backed by incredible team structures dedicated to pushing the technology envelope as far as possible. Anyone who thinks otherwise should review the design details of the fuel systems of these cars...
Final words - the fine was ridiculous, Ferrari is crying all the way to the bank, and the FIA is morally bankrupt - it would appear that if you are not Ron Dennis you won't be punished...

Bernie, grow up get over it - you will never be Ron so stop trying to bully a better man than you will ever be.

Regards

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posted Dec 18, 2007

McLaren is not their only title rival - Has everyone on this board forgot that Renault won it all in both 05 and 06? Now that they have Alonso and Nelson Jr - its on again for the French squad!!!

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posted Dec 18, 2007

Well, it's a fact that the Japanese have the same word for "Copy" as they do for "Learn". Given than the teams have identical briefs and objectives, similar budgets (amongst the top players) and in all probability similar suppliers, tools, materials and education and build a car to what is an increasingly specific formula - is it any wonder that they're similar?

I'd be interested to know how anyone hopes to decide if any given similarity is due to spying, or just due to similar thinking on the parts of the designers envolved?

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posted Dec 18, 2007

As a neutral in this debate it does seem to me that for whatever reason the FIA do favour ferrari.
The quote that summed it up for me (sadly i can't remember who said it) was in reply to the question "do you think the will be extra gp in this years calendar?"
reply was....."dunno, depends if michael needs it or not"

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posted Dec 18, 2007

i dont really care - i understand that cars have to be different and competition adds to technological advances but at the end of the day the only true test if who is the best driver is probally reasonably priced car on top gear --

cars should be more similar because the majority of fans care about the best driver not the best team/car!!!!

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