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Celtic Cup

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by John S - BBC Sport (U1816170) 26 November 2007
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The suits at the English Football Association have been rightly impugned for their pitiful leadership as regards the appointment of Steve McClaren, but credit where credit is due - they appear to have steered well clear of the proposed Celtic Cup.

Which begs the question: what does that say of the leadership capabilities of Howard Wells, chief executive of the Irish Football Association, FAI chief executive John Delaney, Scottish Football Association chief executive Gordon Smith and Football Association of Wales general secretary David Collins.

These four wise men have put their heads together and mystifyingly "agreed in principle", according to the FAI website, to give the green light to a revised version of an anachronistic tournament that was quietly put out of its misery in 1984.

Even Scotland coach Alex McLeish has expressed reservations about the tournament.

McLeish said: "I'm not 100% in favour of it but I can see the positives. I'd love to play England but perhaps they feel they have bigger fish to fry."

The positives McLeish mentions we can safely assume are making a bob or two.

But the commercial men of the four associations involved will have to mount the mother of all advertising pitches to sex up an event for fans and television companies alike which, at first glance, has all the the allure of the Johnstone's Paint Trophy.

We are constantly told that there is too much football on television, that players are asked to play too much football, that tired bodies make them more susceptible to injuries and that they are never given enough time to rest.

So what remedy to cure some of these ills do Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland come up with?

A proposal that will see players involved in three more games every two years in a tournament that has absolutely no relevance unless you are the most blinkered of football anoraks.

Is playing the Celtic Cup really going to improve the quality of the international prospects of these four teams? Make them more competitive on the world stage? Help their qualification campaigns for the next World Cup and Euro 2012? More skilful?

Only last week Wales manager John Toshack was talking about the British game's insularity.

"People abroad, I can assure you, do not have a high opinion of our game," said Toshack. "They have of our Premier League because it is full of foreign players.

"We play too much 4-4-2 in straight lines and think that's it, the way to play," said the 58-year-old Welshman.

"Where are the managers who go abroad from the English game? Clubs in Europe don't rate them and don't go for them.

"We are not rated on the continent. Managers are not, coaches are not, players are not."

Instead of playing these games why don't these international players meet up and dedicate this time to a Coerver or a Futebol de Salão skills course to refine their technique?

How stupid of me - such a proposal is not a money-spinner.

Hold on a minute though, mabye I'm being too harsh about the "Celtic Cup".

Perhaps it does have one aspect to recommend to it.

Given Ryan Giggs' record for turning up for Wales' friendly matches it will be interesting to see how many of Manchester United's "Celtic" players will be able to join up with their respective nations when the tournament kicks off in 2009.

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posted Mar 26, 2009

Wales v Poland was not meaningless, especially when Wales are in a group with Russia.

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I understand that. The stupid part of it was that the game was played in Portugal. That what made it ridiculous in my mind.

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posted Mar 26, 2009

That's fair enough, In Fergie

It couldn't be played in Poland cos of the winter climate, but why not in Wales?

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posted Mar 26, 2009

If the Isle of Man will be there then adding Cornwall, the Faroe Islands and Brittany will bring the total up to 8 teams:

Republic of Ireland
Northern Ireland
Faroe Islands
Isle of Man
Scotland
Cornwall
Brittany
Wales

A good number for a tourney.

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posted Mar 26, 2009

Not sure people from Brittany would be too impressed with being considered as Celts.
Ok, they were Celtic many years ago, but then so was the whole of Europe.

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posted Mar 26, 2009

"England are not invited. The competition is restricted to countries with a national identity and national pride. England does not fit the bill on either count." why are such comments not considered rude?

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posted Mar 26, 2009


Why would England want to compete in this? It's the original hiding to nothing. Why put the country through a couple of extra weeks of England-hating for no tangible benefit?


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posted Mar 27, 2009

Praguelump: Bretons are very proud of their Celtic culture and language (similar to Welsh). Representatives from Brittany regularly take part in Pan Celtic events.

That aside, not too convinced on what this tournament does for Ireland. Not sure, as a non-Home Nation, what getting involved in this insular squabble will do for us. It's hardly likely to help our chances in actual qualifying. Still, the FAI have to try and pay their share of the new Lansdowne Road

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posted Mar 28, 2009

A proposal that will see players involved in three more games every two years in a tournament that has absolutely no relevance unless you are the most blinkered of football anoraks.

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Coming from a hack that works for the BBC Sport team, i'll take that as a compliment. smiley

On the one hand, at least we wont have to listen to the mindless drivel spouted by BBC, ITV, Sun, basically Murdoch's crackerasses, before England play a football match.

On the other hand, because theyre not involved, we'll have to now listen to them create pseudo-logical explanations for why nobody else should be involved, either.

Yawn.

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posted Jun 2, 2009

Fair play, sounds like a good idea to me. I would like England to play as well but it would take a real upset for them not to win it frequently.

Guys could be worse, could be like 6 nations which takes place halfway through the season, plain ridiculas

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posted Aug 22, 2009

So is this competition still going ahead?

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