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Technically Incompetant ?

Euro 2008 England
by PerthLFC (U10382190) 22 November 2007
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Much has been said about the lack of technical ability compared to the Croatians.
If you look at the England players and their role in their clubs, they are usually complimented by more technical foreign players (possible exception of J Cole). The England players tend to be the one to provide the drive and passion but the real quality comes from the foreign players. These players are then rated world class and come into the England set up but can't perform. They are class but in a certain role.
Look at the leading Premiership clubs and pick out the real class players that pull the strings.
Arsenal - Fabregas
Man Utd - Ronaldo
Liverpool - Alonso
Chelsea - J Cole
Man City - Elano
Everton - Arteta
Spurs - Berbatov
Portsmouth - Krancjar
Blackburn - Tugay
You often hear players talking about who can do what in training, and time and time again these are the sort of players who get mentioned. It all boils down to the way we bring players through the ranks. The bigger stronger faster players dominate at younger age groups, and the skill players are over run. In other countries these players are protected and developed in the right way, allowing them to develop at their own pace. As a Liverpool fan I find it hard to say this, but Wenger and Arsenal are now seeing the benefit of bringing this culture to our football several years ago. Its just a shame hardly any english guys seem to be coming through their system.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

im sorry im a sunderland fan but totally disagree with roy keane .You do not have to be a genius to see the most talented players in the EPL are foreign and in alot of cases england internationals are not first choice for their clubs . Crouch Bent Defoe SWP Carrick Carson before his transfer Bridge etc and the lack of technique is soo noticeable when compared to foreign players . SWP as far as i can see has very little ability cant trap head or cross a ball and for english papers to say not one croat would be in the england team sums up the average journalist who spends half their time praising england players as world class and half the time saying they are poor !!Very few england players are sought after by foreign clubs as their technique is inferior and as they are invariabley ill educated their language skills are normally non existant. We have very few players of true international class .

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posted Nov 23, 2007

To anyone who saw the Croatia game it would have been obvious that they were more comfortable on the ball than us,..so yes we have a technical issue..but also a foolish manager. Carson ahead of D James? A big target man (Crouch) and no crosser of the ball etc

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posted Nov 23, 2007

Andimc

If you want a laugh just look at this England team by NiceLinesGiddo

GK: Foster

CB: Richards
CB/Sweeper: Ferdinand
CB: Terry

RWB: Gerrard
LWB: A.Cole

MF: Hargeaves
MF: Carrick or Joe Cole
MF: Joe Cole or Lampard

CF: Rooney
CF: Walcott

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Oh ye 3-5-2 formation, now where have I seen that formation before?!!?!?!

What a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Note to self: must play 4-4-2, must play 4-4-2, must play 4-4-2.

Cast your mind back to Venables (semis of Euro '96) and Hoddle (excellent record as England manager) and you will see they played, err, 3-5-2. There's a difference in playing 3-5-2 with no preparation and the wrong personnel (Gary Neville is not a wing-back) and training your team to play that way.

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posted Nov 23, 2007

comment by telboy49
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im sorry im a sunderland fan but totally disagree with roy keane .You do not have to be a genius to see the most talented players in the EPL are foreign and in alot of cases england internationals are not first choice for their clubs . Crouch Bent Defoe SWP Carrick Carson

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So why did they go to clubs where they knew they would not be first choice ?

SWP has gone backwards since he left City for Chelsea. It was his decision, no one forced him.

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posted Nov 23, 2007

Yes - English players are technically inferior.

Worth noting that two of the players listed as real class (Tugay and Arteta) couldn't command a first team slot with Rangers in the SPL. Maybe the Premier League in England isn't quite as good as English pundits think it is.

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comment by Castle (U2319816)

posted Nov 23, 2007

The one common denominator who kept Arteta, Tugay and Gattuso out of the Rangers team is Barry Ferguson a real world class player.

Worth noting SAF put a bid in for him when he was at Blackburn after Barry got 4 MOM awards in a row after a tough time with injury. Instead he came back to Rangers.

It also amazes me that Fletcher gets slagged down south (as he doesn't bomb forward headless) when he and Barry showed the Italians how to keep hold of the ball

As for Absinth saying Scots play championship level players with desire. Get real. Most of the team play in the Champs League, beating the likes of Lyon, stutgart, AC Milan, Benfica to name a few this year. <doh>

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comment by xpat73 (U1677334)

posted Nov 23, 2007

Gerrard and Lampard. Can run all day, tackle and have a hard shot. Have you ever seen these players beat a man on the dribble or hit a 50 yard pass to someones feet a la Hoddle? No...neither have I!

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posted Nov 23, 2007

I dont understand why everyone is slagging off English football now we didnt qualify for the Euros. This is stupid, are you seriously telling me players such as Gerrard J. Cole Rooney are techniqually inferiour than our European neighbours... i dont think so! I think people are too fast to jump on the band wagon and slag the team off when it goes wrong. we didnt qualify, dont mean we have a team of rubbish players.

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posted Nov 24, 2007

Yes,
Messi, Ronaldo, Fabregas, Drogba; the question should be are there any English world class players.
Comment!

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posted Nov 24, 2007

zpat 73. i *sarcasm* I have also never seen lampard or gerrard pass quality long balls or beat a man on the dribble. its not like lampard picked out drogba with one of the best passes of this season so far to score against man city. and what a poor dribbler of the ball gerrard is. he never picks it up and drives through opposition players. *sarcasm over* i dont know what football you watch but you must just look away every time gerrard or lampard get the ball. the fact is tactically with crouch as a lone striker, england are shockin. its long ball after long ball rather than playing their strongest game. although crouch did well in the role he played there was no support for him and thats why england suffered. stick to ttwo up front.

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