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England and Ramps

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by denbos (U1688766) 21 September 2007
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It is so strange when the best batsman in English cricket is not recognised Internationally. Ramprakash is more famous for his Salsa than for his cover drive, yet here he is with over 2000 runs in a season.

I wonder what sets him aside from the rest of Englands selected batsmen? Can you see it? Well children today we will be looking through the clear window!

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posted Sep 22, 2007

Mark had many opportunities to play for England mostly against a battery of West Indian
fast bowlers uncontrolled by any 'bouncer' rule
If time at the crease was used as a measure he would be near the top. He was certainly the best cover fielder of his time.
He was almost always used down the order especially under Hussian who seemed to see him as a threat to his own preferred position at 3.
Finally he was subjected to an apalling and unlucky sequence of Umpiring howlers. Probably our best first class umpire, Peter Willy seemed to save his very few errors for Mark.
I am quite sure that Mark is perfectly happy as he is; demonstrating that his dancing fame has if anything enhanced his Cricket. He has given fantastic pleasure to Middlesex and Surry fans and his name will be remembered in the record books long after the Sky commentators are forgotten.

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posted Sep 22, 2007

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Hussian, Atherton and Thorpe had to play against those West Indies pacemen as well. Except they averaged 37, 37 and 45 respectively instead of 27. But you may have identified why he was unsuccesful in test cricket. What do you need to have to face a 4 man battery of pace bowlers - mental strength. Those 3 definitely had less ability then Ramps but weren't lacking in mental strength.

Also, if you play 52 tests, umpiring decisions are going even themselves out.

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posted Sep 22, 2007

What with strauss really struggling, open with cook and bell and get ramps in at 4 or 5. He's got a couple of years left and it would be great to see him play international cricket again, especially in this form.

Surely the presence of such a class player is going to help everyone else raise their game.

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posted Sep 22, 2007

have him back!! if he's scoring runs, and noone else in the england team is, then why shouldn't he get a call up?? he has been consistantly brilliant over 2 seasons, and despite his age, he can still do, if anything he's in the form of his life! call him up!!

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posted Sep 22, 2007

ramps is by far the most gifted english batsmen of his and most other generations but was far too highly strung for the pressures of test cricket. this has been said by many people including hussain and athers who have known him since the age of 15/16
when he moved to surrey who were at the time full of superstars he was not relied upon so heavily and relaxed. you could see as the dance competition progressed how much he had changed since he was named in the original 'brat pack' of hussain thorpe and himself

ultimately as he has mellowed his cricket has benefitted

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posted Sep 22, 2007

the 'theory' that kids try to smash the ball everywhere like 2020 is rubbish and intelligent kids no that to get to the futherst level you must have runs runs runs and you cant get that by slogging vaughan is techniqally correct as is cook as is bell.

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comment by nickhh (U2063032)

posted Sep 22, 2007

steam It is a pity that the England selectors have seen fit to ignore Ramps over the last couple of years. He has the temperament to be successful at any level and the rash crop of current England batsmen would have benefited and learnt from his experience and presence in the side.

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posted Sep 23, 2007

How can people like Bob Willis be so short sighted to suggest older players are detrimental to the game when players like Ramps are performing to the extent he has over the last two seasons?

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posted Sep 23, 2007

Okay lets play Ramps but who desevres to be dropped and why. I could only think of strauss, but with MV reluctant to open I guess you want to see a return to the 90's drop a specailist player and replace him with middle order batsmen and then scratch your heads when it a all goes belly up.

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posted Sep 23, 2007

Set aside statistics, set aside Ramps's past England record. Aren't the selectors supposed to pick the best team available to them at the time? The situation with the bowlers is a case in point. This summer (for the most part) no Harmison, Hoggard, Flintoff or Jones, so they look at the best of the rest and it turns out to be a winner. But no major injuries with main batsmen and they have stuck with them - which in some part does them credit. Too often in the past they have chopped and changed to no major effect. But Ramps's record both this and last summer speaks for itself. He is by far and away the best batsmen in county cricket, and yes we could say he's been tried before, and yes we could say he's too old (Boycott was older), and yes we could ask if he has the temperament. But at the end of the day his achievement is there for all to see. Is he a better bastman than Collingwood? Most would argue yes? Is he a better batsman than Strauss? Certainly at the moment. Does he deserve another go for England? Well, I'm not an England selector (thank goodness), but I think many people would say yes. His age is actually an advantage. He is more mature now than he was when he first played for England and I don't think his nerves are as predominant as they were. Just think if he'd had more confidence is his own supreme abilty - he truly could have been one of the great England batsmen. But don't hold that against him. Give him another go, if he wants another chance and the current crop don't perform in Sri Lanka. He surely deserves it.

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