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Ford/Ashton Tone it Down a Bit...

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by MyCatsCanType (U1720956) 19 September 2007
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Mike Ford backpeddles on some of his recent gaffes:

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rug...

Hopefully he will now keep his big mouth shut and concentrate on salvaging some pride from this fiasco.

Ashton too seems to be in a less bullish frame of mind:

www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/rugbywor...

Unfortunately his strategy conference with selected players doesn't seem to have included either of his captains (banned or current), or indeed any forwards at all. Could this explain why the backs selection is finally looking vaguely coherent whereas the forwards selection still looks likely to induce despair and narcolepsy?

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posted Sep 19, 2007

talk about jumping on a bandwagon... get it sorted Ford.

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posted Sep 20, 2007

if you'd said Farrell WAS the greatest.....
I might agree with you if you also added "one of".

However good he is or was, he isn't working in the team at the minute - admittedly along with most other parts of it and I think that's what people have a problem with.

My personal thought is that if he had "more skill than the rest of them put together" as some idiot has suggested, then he'd shine regardless of how badly everyone else was playing as opposed to "not kicking as badly as the next guy".

The first time he throws a flat pass and no-one's there to pick it up should be followed by a second fast pass to where the player actually is. Great players adapt to their surroundings and he isn't doing that, hence the calls for him to not be in the team.

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posted Sep 20, 2007

if people ever want to see an example of a scapegoat i will be sure to send them to this site.
from an outsider and anti-england supporter i have to say that i have been pleasantly surprised by Farrel...for such a big unit his ball handling is remarkable. i thought him and jason robinson were the only 2 englishmen that turned up against SA. why are people not slagging of ben kay and that horrendous chip!!!??? england looked terrible, but that piece of 'skill' sunk your team into schoolboy territory!
Give farrel a break...at least he looks like he wants to retain the world cup!

COME ON IRELAND!!!

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comment by TreOes (U1674838)

posted Sep 20, 2007

The first thing left out of the suitcase when professionalism came to Twickenham was TRUTH. Mike Ford had his bottom slapped for packing his, and a PR man from the RU has slung it out, and repacked SPIN.
The facts are England are wallowing near the bottom of the six nations with an old squad who have, at best lost direction.(lets put the Welsh 3rd Team into perspective. The Welsh did England no favours that day).
The RFU style when truth raises its ugly, honest head is, ignore it and try and spin our way to win a game.
The only people they are fooling are the addled fans who believe the words but, fail to see the evidence.

Even if England beat Samoa and Tonga, (that thought would have been laughable in 2003) IF, they do, does anyone (apart from the brothers Grimm) believe they will progress further?

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posted Sep 20, 2007

"Faz has been good at Union" I think this is the crucial point. When was he 'good at Union'? He struggled to shine in the Saracens 2nd string and many of us are still waiting to see the evidence. His re-start kicking vs SA was simply awful - why didn't someone tell him to stop kicking the ball back to the SA back three or was he told and ignored them because he thinks he's the 'greatest'?

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posted Sep 20, 2007

Were your watching the same game guidedog or does your name give away the fact as to why your view is sooo misguided?

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posted Sep 20, 2007

Ford, who has not distinguished himself as an international coach by any stretch is moaning about a player who should not have been picked in the first place. Pot and black spring to mind - they should both go but at least Farrell has tried his best on the field rather than just trying to talk a good game.

farrell appears to be a dignified ex world class league player - one of the best, I understand, who through timing and bad luck missed the union boat. He is not and never will be good enough, if he works hard at Sarries he may, just may, make a regular firts team spot and (as Sarries kept trying to point out)not in the backs

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comment by hayes82 (U9362955)

posted Sep 20, 2007

'Even if England beat Samoa and Tonga, (that thought would have been laughable in 2003) IF, they do, does anyone (apart from the brothers Grimm) believe they will progress further?'

if Wales has beaten Australia (i think they could have if they hadnt shown them so much respect) would you be writing off England as having no chance in the quarters???
like England, Australia are not the force they have been and i really think are there for the beating.
i am worried about the game against Samoa even tho they were very poor against Tonga, they will go all out to assault the midfield we have (Wilko and Olly are made of glass and Tait although a great defender is still a bit lightweight). I think moving Lewsey to full back was a great decision cos he is the best "last line of defence" we have.
i fear Sackeys defence will once again be shown to be very very suspect

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posted Sep 21, 2007

The point is Ford is backtracking. He obviously got his wrists smacked for telling the truth first time around and now has to limit the damage.
Lets limit the damage by getting the incompetent Andrew, Francis Baron and the other ineffective heavyweights out of the driving seats. Spending a million on a has been when we need talent for the future is a disgrace, but just one of many. We cant rebuild the futre of English Rugby with this ineffective a governance.

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comment by stenakt (U9726621)

posted Sep 21, 2007

It is pretty likely that we won't make the quarters and, having suffered the SA match, that may be a good thing. Clearly things need to change radically in English rugby and the shockwaves of not reaching the quarters may be whats necessary to get the degree of change to happen. Certainly the coaching needs to change. I can't believe a senior member of the coaching staff comes out with the silly stuff that Mike Ford does. How do comments like this help the players in the midst of a world cup campaign. I admire honesty, but I also admire timing. It's pretty nave.

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