posted Sep 16, 2007

What you need to see is that McL is at the top right now thanks to Alonso. He brought his skills, savvyness and knowledge to the track and the machine set up. Where is McL when Kimi was there? In fact, and maybe you were one of those folks, how many in here kept saying things like this once Alonso decided to leave Renault for McL

"Alonso will be lucky if he makes it to the podium this season" or "It will be a few yrs before he can win another race", more "he wont be a contender for a long time. Should had stayed with Renault." Again how many of you kept saying those things before the start of the season. A champ is a champ and Lonzo has proven that again and again. So you afraid to see Lewis in a team as Toyota> why, cause you know that he may no be a great in an inferior machine. A great champ will win any possible way even if is in a gokart. That is what Schummie, Benetton, and Lonzo, Renault, had done. That is the true meaning of a champ. And of course, you gotta win, and win big, while is raining too. I also dont think that Lewis would have been doing so well if his partner would have been James Smith or Pietro Naggro or some obscure name.
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Point taken...the question there would be how quickly Hamilton becomes a cynic; go for the
gold, whichever team offers it (and I would
highly recommend Toyota to offer it!... they
need any help they can get; and the money, for
them, is pocket change whatever they would pay
him). Downside from a personal point-of-view
: it could be the ruin of Hamilton and I like
him.
Re. Alonso, my point is that he has no
personal/emotional stake in this team. He
has made clear enough that he feels alienated, as a Spaniard, in this, Mercedes-critical-involvement-understood, essentially English

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posted Sep 16, 2007

Like you said it, a test!! Is a lot more different during the race and the pressure. SO far he has shown that he doesnt have it while the race is taken place. That is where it does count.
Do you think Lewis would have been this lucky racing with Toyota this yr? I dont think so. He is the luckiest rookies of all time. It was pretty much given to him on a silver plate. Bet the queen has something to do with this too.

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"Last time i saw Lewis in the rain he couldn't keep it on the track."

Well, it poured on test day at Spa. and he was fastest on a soaking track. He did not come off once. When it rains at Spa, it pours.

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posted Sep 16, 2007

If it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable. All these 'enthusiasts' discussing the merits of the Mclaren drivers and who's the best just as if this is a legitimate competition and last week never happened. I guess many of today's fans don't really care anymore how their guy wins as long as he wins.
My trophies from may racing days (and my career) are minnows compared to these but when I look at them, I know I won every single one fair and square because I beat the rest that day without any back door help and I wouldn't swap that feeling for all the dodgy WC trophies in the world.

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posted Sep 16, 2007

Wow that u tube link to Alonso driving in the wet is something to behold. The way he breezed past Shumacher was incredible cosidering Shumacher was no slouch in the wet himself. Alonso is without question the number one driver of his generation and will inevitably win his third world championship in my opinion. Lets hope we dont see any rain from now until the end of the season for Hamilton's sake!

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posted Sep 16, 2007

Ferrari's 'win' in the constructors' championship means nothing, since the team that would deservedly have beat them was effectively disqualified. It would have been fairer for the FIA to dock both teams all their points and let the rest fight it out among themselves.

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posted Sep 16, 2007

"What you need to see is that McL is at the top right now thanks to Alonso. He brought his skills, savvyness and knowledge to the track and the machine set up." - francotirado

And here was me thinking it was Stepney's savvyness. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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posted Sep 16, 2007

"I like better the bit it says ''but the reigning world champion managed to hold his line and sweep past Hamilton through one of the most feared parts of any track in the world'"

He managd that only after he muscled Hamilton of the track. Had he not done so, it wouldnot have happened.

Hope you won't mind when Hamilton pays him back - which will surely happen before long. Then, of course Alonso will thow his dummy out of the pram again.

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posted Sep 16, 2007

"What you need to see is that McL is at the top right now thanks to Alonso. He brought his skills, savvyness and knowledge to the track and the machine set up"

What he brought to McLaren is grief. Read up on the realities of the case, and educate
yourself.

If you like your champions without honour, why should I bother?

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posted Sep 16, 2007

''What he brought to McLaren is grief. Read up on the realities of the case, and educate
yourself''.

He brought grief to himself because of the exceptional circumstance of finding himself racing in a british team against the team principal protegee and the first british driver with a chance for the wdc since Damon Hill

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posted Sep 16, 2007

Hope you can read German. This is from the Spiegel. It is quite unequivical:

"Alonso wollte McLaren-Mercedes erpressen"

Autosport qlwo quite cleatly states that Alonso edged Hamilton off the track today.

I'm afraid many other journals, able to understand what's going on, express tha same about this affair. Even the Mirror talks of "McLaren's disgrace."

It has nothing to do with being in a British team. It has to do with Alonso being unable to cope with a rookie beating him, and expecting preferential treatment. He lost control because the rookie would not roll over. Commentator after commentator - people with no reason to "favour" Hamilron - and not all of them British, say this quite openly. Some of them are ex F1 drivers, and/or champions.

It may have escaped your notice, but the teams are INTERNATIONAL. To the Germans, McLaren is Mercedes. Alonso was with Renault. He bitched about them too. And as far as is known, Renault are not a British team. Desite the overt nationality of the teams, their personnel come from many different countries.

At some point, people are just going to have to accept the reality of what happened, and stop seeking to blame others for this mess.

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