posted Sep 15, 2007

just to add to my preious comment...

samyoue knows nothing...

the cars are so different it's unbelieveable...if ALL the cars were the same then yes it would be about driver skill alone(like A1)but it is not...the simple fact is that the car contributes to about 75% of the race...

raikonen is the best driver in the world hence why he was tipped to win this at the start of the season, but the car(and the unfair advantage) have led to claren being miles ahead...

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posted Sep 15, 2007

I don't get it. FIA found McLaren guilty for cheating. Clearly they gained unfair advantage on Ferrari [Raikonnen and Massa]. Shouldn't they be banned or at least have their drivers championship points deducted.

Hope that now everyone understands the difference of between Alonso and Schumacher. There is no comparison...

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posted Sep 15, 2007

It is amazing how the excuse disease has permeated even sports writers like Benson. None of these excuses are valid and the one about teams trying to find information about their rivals somehow makes this O.K. is the most virulent disease of all. 2 wrongs don't make a right and never will no matter how you try to dress it up.
One can expect this stuff from loyal fans writing from sentiment but professionals like Benson should be capable of writing with balance and perspective. Nothing will make this championship right Andrew and nothing will unless both drivers receive some punishment. A 2 race ban, as was imposed on Honda for a piddling offence compared to this, would and should be the absolute minimum.

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posted Sep 16, 2007

Who the hell cares about this technical information crap.
The drivers Alonso ,Raikonen ,Hamilton and all the others are out there are risking their lives with whatever machinery they're given.They are the important people for the fans and the sponsors.Who gives a damn about who got what info from whom.That has absolutely nothing to do with the sport.They would never have dared to dock points from the drivers.Had they done so they would have killed the F1 championship.The constructors championship is now a mockery.Ferrari cna hardly go parading with the trophy after this
Industrial espionage goes on all the time.The drivers have done nothing wrong and they are the sport.

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posted Sep 16, 2007

Anyone on here with acess to the continental channels might have caught a >Mosley interview this morning.

Anyone with any lingering doubts - including Alonso fans and Ferrari-haters - about what happened, would have heard it from the man himself. To those who still don't want to believe it, it's even unglier than you would like to believe.

Someone asked on here why was Alonso allowed to "walk". Hat's big quesiton may are asking around the paddock.

Mosley said that anyone who believes the punishment was too harsh is "voll idiot". He was talking to a German channel, and said it in German. He also aded that Alonso had found a "culture" at McLaren. He was not talking about national culture. Catch it if you can. Very illuminating, and will not doubt be all over the international medie.
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A commentator said after wads, that this was just the tip of the iceberg.

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posted Sep 16, 2007

Surely Ferrari should have been punished....as it was their guy who gave the information to McClaren.......

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posted Sep 17, 2007

Both teams should have been banned, Ferrari for leaking their own info, albeit an employee of Ferrari, and McLaren for accepting it, albeit an employee. If you accept the principle of an employee is a representative of a company and acts on their behalf then Ferrari are equally guilty.
Martin Brundle's view was that none of the data discussed between drivers, e.g. gas in tyres etc, was new news and hardly a secret.
Don't get me wrong, I do think wrong has been done, I am not convinced on McLaren are the only guilty ones. If i were Ron i would appeal, not for a lighter penalty but to put Ferrari in the dock too. I also think we see the mafia at work here. Messy business, ban them both for both bringing the sport into disrepute.

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posted Sep 18, 2007

Industrial spying in F1 is nothing new, and its up to the teams to police their own staff...

Ferrari should be fined for bringing the sport into disrepute, and Alonso/Mclaren for not reporting the information as soon as he knew about its source.
Maybe this also explains why Alonso stopped sharing information with Hamilton as he knew he had an advantage even over his team mate!

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posted Sep 20, 2007

"Surely Ferrari should have been punished....as it was their guy who gave the information to McClaren......."

Stop drinking the stupid juice and really think about what you posted.

Why would you punish Ferrari for the fact that one of their employees has tried to screw them over, you really think they should be punished twice? Are you really a congenital moron?

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posted Sep 20, 2007

"Martin Brundle's view"

Because commenting for ITV-1 (with their overtly McLaren centric coverage) makes Brundle such a valid voice in this debate.

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