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The Spy Scandal

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Well, well well. theres new evidence in the ferrari/mclaren throw-your-dummy-out-of-the-pram-first contest.

Does any one read the Daily Mirror and saw what Salo said-he used to get transcripts of conversations between Hakkinen and his engineer when he was at ferrari? Shouldnt the FIA and the WMSC check into these claims as well? Im sure that Ferrari arent all innocent, as Hamilton said.

What are your thoughts?

p.s. Pompey fans, Burley isnt leaving so dont get your hopes up hes going to join you when Redknapp goes to Leicster.

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posted Sep 9, 2007

The thing I don't get is how so many people seem to be assuming that McLaren are guilty. Ferrai have yet to prove that McLaren have used ANY of thier technical documents in improving the current car.

This really does seem to be turning into nothing more than a witch hunt on both the part of Ferrari and the FIA.

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posted Sep 10, 2007

antoniosignore,

I totally agree that cheats should be thrown out of F1 but I think Ferrari are the experts there. Jerez 1997, Monaco 2006, Monza 2006 (though this was more their influence over marshalls who were obviously Ferrari fans) and numerous dubious occassions during the early 2000s when team orders were a little suspicious regarding Schuey and Barrichello.

How can you say nothing happened last year when Ferrari were battling with Renault? What about as I've mentioned above about Alonso blocking Massa? Massa was proven to be nowhere near him! Funny thing is it's rather back-fired hasn't it, everyone knows that it was biased marshalls and this year they've had to sit by and watch a total demolition by McLaren. I'm sure you could have heard my cheering yesterday as that spoilt brat Massa pulled off and you had to watch the silver arrow of Lewis leaving Kimi (one of top 3 drivers in F1) standing due to an uncompetitive car. Some things in life are priceless biggrin

I wasn't saying that Ferrari had never had the ability to concede defeat gracefully but since Schumacher started winning title for you that grace in defeat has gone. No-one has a right to win, you have to earn it and maybe it's time Ferrari tried to do this on the track rather than constant attempts at getting their rivals disqualified. I remember back at the start of 1998 when McLaren (along with Williams and Jordan) had a new (but legal) braking system which rather than try to beat they had made illegal. Still Hakkinen won title and all was well smiley

And as for your comments about McLaren actually cheating, all that has been proven is that one of their employees had a Ferrari dossier. That doesn't mean anyone else at McLaren has seen it and that certainly is far from being proven. Plus, how difficult do you think this would have been for Ferrari to set up. Certainly easier and cheaper than trying to beat a faster car out on the race-track. Can see it now, Todt telling Massa and Kimi just to do their best and anyone who dares beat them will be disqualified so they inherit a title they couldn't win in a fair fight!

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posted Sep 10, 2007

James Steele writes:

"The thing I don't get is how so many people seem to be assuming that McLaren are guilty..."

James...where have you been in the last couple of months or so? On a holiday in planet Pluto?

BREACH OF CODE 151c

Does that mean anything to you?

When are you coming back to planet heart, get a google about that reference above...

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comment by chrizy (U8981255)

posted Sep 10, 2007

rossowen

Spot on. I am not a maclaren fan. Neither am I a Renault fan, toyota fan nor a Spy-ker fan. I definitely not an SPY fan. But I am an anti-ferrari fan. I hate watching a race controlled & manipulated by Ferrari (if cannot get on track, to to FIA for hand out. If still cannot, go to Italian Court!) antic!

They have been egoistic & self centre too long. They have problem with their design & with their own people & smart of them to benifit out of this sitiuation by spilling the bean onto maclaren court and having to forece maclaren to answer the charges that originated from Ferrari camp. And they get off scott free with FIA consent!

Break AWAY.
A1 is much more better as long as Friend-of-Ferrrari Mosley isn't in!

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comment by chrizy (U8981255)

posted Sep 10, 2007

antoniosignore

If some disgrunted employee go to the Casino with their boss money and at the table this disgrunted gambler show me his bad card without me asking him so, I won't shut my eye, for sure. when i win his hand, i felt proud and blessed cos I have a silly disgrunted opponent. Am I guilty of espionage or cheating? If i win, that is because I had a better hand than him.If his boss found out, can his boss accuse me of esponage and cheating? No. unless that casino belong to Ferrari-FIA.

Seriously, you believe that Maclaren won because of Ferrari dossier? I worth nothing. look how many non finish ferrari have so far? If Maclaren have the same fate, then probably, they copied Ferrari design. Come on! Get your Ferrari to Finish the race like a man and not whimp all the way to court!

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posted Sep 10, 2007

just had a thought: i wonder if the breakaway series may happen if Mclaren are found guilty

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comment by chrizy (U8981255)

posted Sep 10, 2007

HOW LOW CAN ITALY GO?

an example of Italian "integrity" Please read!!

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/070910112408.shtml

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posted Sep 10, 2007

"an example of Italian "integrity" Please read!!

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/070910112408.shtml"

Or is that a case of the British media fabricating evidence about how the Italian media fabricate evidence about how the FIA fabricate evidence, and so on .......

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posted Sep 10, 2007

Correction: F1-live.com is French.

So it's the French media fabricating ....

(Max must have popped round the corner to tell them).

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posted Sep 10, 2007

Pino Allievi you idiot!

he stated on the paper it was an hypotetical dialogue between the 2 drivers....but that is still messing about.

On the other hand.
In reply to some comments above. Please refrain from attacking Italy as a country.

The italian media in general has done a decent job...

Beside the UK media managed to instigate a war in Iraq thanks to huge porkies about the Weapon of Mass Destruction.

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