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Cloud over Great Britain success

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The Great Britain four were beaten into fourth place

Great Britain took another big step towards Olympic success during the World Rowing Championships but there will be a cloud over the camp as they prepare for the winter.

Having set a target of three Olympic medals in Bejing, they won seven in Munich this week:

  • - The women’s quad took gold for the third successive year
  • - An ever-improving lightweight squad gained gold in the four and bronze in the double
  • - Colin Smith and Matt Langridge won bronze in the coxless pair
  • - There were surprise bronzes for both men’s and women’s eights
  • - And women’s double Elise Laverick and Anna Bebington took bronze in just their second event together


  • The results show an increase in strength in depth on last year’s championships – when they won two golds and a bronze in Olympics classes.

    But there is a significant negative in the form of the coxless four, the flagship men’s boat, who were well off the pace, beaten into fourth place in their final.

    Even the worst doom-monger would have predicted bronze after a season in which they have had to deal with Alex Partridge’s injury trouble.

    The headlines focused on coach Jurgen Grobler’s decision to move them into an eight for the World Cup event in Munich and in the days leading up to the World Championships his plan became clearer.

    Apparently fearing his four could be passed in the next 12 months, Grobler opted to make a major technical change, putting more focus on the leg drive. It would be easier to begin that process in a larger boat, and the change would have come under less scrutiny.

    In Saturday’s final, though, the pressure was clearly too much as the four struggled off the start and never looked able to affect the gear-change that would have been required to stay on the pace.

    Grobler, who does not need to finalise the line-up of his Olympic four until March at the earliest, has some time to ponder as he tries to ensure his record of a gold medal in every Olympic Games he has attended since 1972 is kept intact.

    And his oarsmen have an entire winter to take on board the technical changes they have been asked to implement.

    Given the success of Smith and Langridge, he is likely to continue with his “coxless six” strategy over the winter, and either of those two could move into the four, with Partridge looking under pressure.

    But he could always opt instead to switch the priority in boat class – as he did to the four after 2003, when Matthew Pinsent and James Cracknell struggled in the pair.

    Such a move would probably result in Andy Hodge and Peter Reed taking over in the smaller boats.

    It is certainly not all doom and gloom for British rowing, but the flagship boat tends to take the headlines, and it appears to need the most work.

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    comment by askhams (U6670950)

    posted Sep 28, 2007

    Like I said before, my GB experience is not what suggests that a differnet crew line up for the olympics is a good idea.

    Twice now, a pair has underperfomred at the olympics. In sydney the 8 won, so it 'covered' the disappointment of the Coode/Searle pair. It seems to me that sending a second ranked crew, as the Coode/Searle boat was (behind the Red/Pin/Fos/Carc), in a pair is asking for underperfomance. Its the hardest boat to win - technically and physically. So when Athens came round, to see the talent (after the eventual 4- was filled) split between, the 2- and the 8+ seemed a sure fire way to put out a viable finalist pair, but not one that could challenge for a medal. On the other hand, there was an 8, which had got the bronze the year before. This as it happens, didnt make the final either. Now strenthened with the piar, including the third ranked bowsider (J.W.) the 8+ could ahve finaled, and maybe repeated its medal performance of the previous year.

    Now, in my opinain, the pair of Reed and Hodge is a more likely combo than the four. The H/R pair leaves the others standing at trails. Now if we were talking about a three times world chamion 4- you would have room to laugh at this, but no, they have lost, one of the two slower guys is and has been struiggling with injury. Without braking up the GB pair to strengthen it, it is unlikekly theres anyone to sub to the same standard. So.

    Make H/R the pair.

    Then stack the current world bronze medal 8, take away the four slowest (osrry guys), and replace them with Langridge, Williams, Partridge (if hes good to go), Smith. (Oh and seat race Graham Benton, hes a top guy, and still out powering the GB guys. Power isnt everything, but he can row very well now, and his horse power in the 3 or 4 seat in the 8 can only make it go faster.)

    It means not having a serious contender for the 4-, but so what? In these line ups there is a good strong challenge for the golds in the 8s and 2s.

    You know it makes sense.

    PS I am glad it has moved on. I competiton is what gives medals their value. When I won my fgirst gold, the silver medalists were Germany. not four blokes (as we were) but three guys and a girl (on crutches). They deseerved the gold... Needless to say, my opinian about this made me awefully popular around the GB adaptive scene. Was eventually blocked from trialling in 2005 as I wasnt a member of a club or the ARA (I think one Mr Hodge was guilty of the same 'non-compliance' in the same year interestingly) and in 2006 I had my sight improved with surgury so couldnt trial as I no longer qulaified as disabled.

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    comment by askhams (U6670950)

    posted Sep 28, 2007

    Oh and btw who are you? You havent left any clues. The general consensus between me and my rowing chums though is that kwikscull denotes slow scull....

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    posted Sep 28, 2007

    You cna decide if I'm slow if you like. I know what I can do so I'm happy with that. I would argue you deserved gold if you won it, not Germany if they came second.

    Other point re Coode/ Searle. There were three bopats who COULD win gold for Gb that year, I think that was prob the right decision. It could easily be argued if the french had not put in such a devastating "all or nothing " burst they would have won.

    The French being Silver medallists had decided to go for Gold or get nothing, according to post race press interviews. They had decided to risk "just a medal" for gold. having already won "just a medal" they jsut wanted Gold. That burst ripped the race apart.

    By the way, I've done some checking, in 2005 Andy Hodge was a member of Molesey Boat Club (having been there since 2000/2001) and raced at the fours head in 2004, eights head 2005 and fours head 2005 so he must have been an ARA member.

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    comment by askhams (U6670950)

    posted Sep 29, 2007

    I heard it from 'a little' Birdie lol

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    posted Sep 30, 2007

    Don't beleive all a Birdie tells you I would say!!

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    comment by mosrow (U10127680)

    posted Oct 23, 2007

    I'm amazed at all this navel-gazing by kwikscull & askhams. Get real! The UK team did brilliantly at Munich, and is easily the best-positioned of all of the major rowing nations for Beijing in 08. To dwell on the 4- is to miss the point; sure, it was the No.1 UK men's boat, but hallo? bronze in the 8 and 2-, and fourth in the 4-. Any other country would love those results. Take mine, Australia - after bronze in the M8 and fourth in the 4- (plus gold in 2-) at Athens, we haven't even qualified the 4 or 8. The plain fact is, the British four was never all that good and once the other countries took away their game plan by learning to go with them from the start, they were left exposed, because while big strong guys, they do not row very efficiently. GB won in Athens only because Ed Coode was in the crew, not in spite of it, just as they won because Tim Foster was in the three seat in Sydney 2000. Great oarsman as he was, Matthew Pinsent was hard to row with, and he rowed short under pressure (exposed definitively by Tompkins & Ginn in the 2-). Coode and Foster provided the lubrication for the rhythm behind him. The 4- at Beijing is still wide open - none of this year's medallists is a great crew, though Italy will get better, but if GB tries for more muscle without better technique, it will continue to be disappointed. The men's 8 on the other hand was a great performance on which they can build, and the women's quad were equally impressive. And GB men's lighties are back at last, after 20 years in the wilderness. Celebrate guys, it's not all about Jurgen's boat(s).

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    posted Nov 14, 2007

    Sport might not be logical - but mosrow's logic beats the lot. Does he really want us to believe that in 2000 at Sydney the only reason Pinsent got a 3rd gold medal and Redgrave a 5th gold was because Foster was in the boat? Does he really want us to believe that in 2004 the only reason Pinsent got his 4th gold and Cracknell his 2nd was because Coode was in the boat ?! They were good rowers, but .....
    Think for a moment about the top 4- last Winter. They were unsettled by being put into the top 6, but in the 1st World Cup both the M4- and M2- got gold. In the 2nd World Cup they were put into the Super 8 and, against most expectations, they not only got in the medals but won gold with Williams as stroke (and they lifted the regular 8 up into the medals for the first time for ages, and put 18 GB Men on the medal podium at the same time! In the 3rd World Cup, with a sub they got silver. Then something went wrong at Munich. So does mosrow really want us to believe that all the other countries took 24 races before they could get their act together. In the last three years only one crew beat them twice, and two others once! Get real!

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    posted Jan 2, 2008

    whilst mosrow's talk of foster and coode is very plaudable, one must realise, that, as a rower, the combination of technical ability raw strength and endurance creates a fast boat. Every gold medal boat in every major competition has a mixture of rowers that compliment each other.

    On to the 2- for the olympics. JURGEN ONLY GOES FOR GOLD. Will he win a gold medal with the 2- of hodge and Reed? Probably not. Ginn is the man, the aussies will walk home with a gold, technically there isn't anyone better.

    So where does it all go from Munich? Interestingly I would go for a 4- (normal combination-they had a bad day in Munich) and wack smith and langridge in the 8+ and go for a medal in that category but go for gold with the 4-.

    Someone mentioned seat racing Benton. Yes he has aweseome power-he displayed that this year at BIRC. He has however lost a lot of seat racing, because he doesn't have the technical ability (yet) to row in the olympics. Don't get me wrong, he can still do it, just not for 2008. I hear he is improving all the time and we can only hope for him to carry on to 2012 where not only he will have awesome power but also great technical ability.

    Jurgens announcemets will be very interesting indeed, but lets all be honest here, he is the daddy of winnning gold medals, and will no doubt do what he thinks will get Team GB an olympic gold medal.

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    comment by askhams (U6670950)

    posted Feb 19, 2008

    He is the daddy,
    but leavingn an ASthens-esque last minute change will perhaps get a gold, but look at the otehr two boats, 2- and 8+, bronze and 4th the year before, the 4 got a spectacular gold, but the squad didnt perform outside that boat.

    Likewise this year, whats going on with the four? There is a pair in it who are faster bigger and better than the otehr two, why are they being held back and diluted by Partridge and Williams?

    Yes most of us have only got access to the results of say boston trials, and BIRC etc, and cannt therefore make a season long assessment, but neither do the gold medal issuers, so come on pick the crew well, make the pair the top boat, then the 8+, and make the quad the target boat, the double in there, with their steady medaling, with campbell and his aggresive racing, and maybe Benton with his horse power, thats the foursome to bet on.

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    comment by askhams (U6670950)

    posted Feb 19, 2008

    The quad the top boat in the sculling, avoid the kiwis, as where ever either of those big guys ends up, silver is as good as anyone can hope for. (Another reason to avoid the 4, Waddell has been seen in it)

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