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English football.... on the rocks?

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by IronsMike88 (U8888194) 08 August 2007
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I thought it would be intresting to write an article about this, and was wondering what fellow West Ham - and indeed other fans think about the way English football is going (in regards to International football - not premiership). Personally - I think it's in tatters. The top 4 clubs in the prem - Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea - all have young foreign prospects at their youth academies, and I agree that this is with the view of making those clubs continue their success etc etc, but surely there has to be a limit. In the past 5 years this has become increasingly apparent, that a distict lack of English pospects are comming through and playing for the first teams of clubs. The one's that I can think of and that stand out to me in recent years are Luke Moore (Aston Villa) Mark Noble (West Ham) Leighton Baines (Wigan) and Matt Derbyshire (Blackburn). Obviously there's others like Lita etc but iv'e decided just to cut the names to a few. I think the only way things will change will be if their is some sort of rule introduced... for instance a club can only have a maximum of 4 foreign players playing for their youth academies at any one time. Otherwise what will happen is that the number of foreign pospects will continue to rise and before long - in another 5 years time - it will be English players that are few and far between at academies. This cannot afford to happen.

England is a super-power in world football, but we have nothing to show for it. The world cup last year, and the U21 Championships this year were a testiment to that. The players that I've mentioned above are good players, but I wouldn't call any of them 'wonderkids' at this time. The other thing that I find incredible about the England team is that you appear to get chosen to play for England on your name alone. I think a petition or some sort of awarness campaign has to start in order to change the systems of premiership clubs youth academies, otherwise that 1 world cup will be all we have.

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comment by Adam M (U1747235)

posted Aug 9, 2007

One of the problems is the rule which restricts teams from signing boys that live farther then an hours drive away. It's to prevent the likes of Man U, Chelsea, etc getting hold of everyone that has talent.

Would Man U/Chelsea/Arsenal etc. do a better job then smaller clubs? I think they would.

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posted Aug 9, 2007

the present england captain and vice-captain are both youth team products at their respective big 4 clubs. the country's best striker was a youth team product at a premiership club and now plays regularly for one of the big 4. clubs have always bought better players if their youngsters weren't up to scratch - it's a myth that most teams used to be made up of eleven local boys. it can happen, but it's extremely rare. even a team like spurs, who are celebrated for having so many talented young english players in their ransks, bought the vast majority of them from other clubs, therefore restricting the chances of their own english players, surely?! if you have a choice between two players, you will go for the better footballer every time, regardless of his nationality. i just don't get what it matters ultimately where a player comes from. it would be wonderful to see my team made up of eleven local youngsters, because it would save them a hell of a lot of money, and because one imagines a young local player would have more feeling for the club, but more important to me is to watch entertaining and successful football. and on the subject of the england team, is anybody aware that in the 1970s and 1980s, when there were very few foreigners in our leagues, the national team played some of the least inspiring football ever, and successive england managers chose hard-working journeyman over players with more raw talent?

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posted Aug 9, 2007

The simple facts are this .. the players we (the English) produce are not good enough. The way we coach our youngsters is not good enough ... thus the talent coming through is not there.

11 year old kids play on full size pitches in full size goals!! If any one doubts it go to your local park at about 12.30 on a sunday during the season. How many times have you heard of a player who 'nearly didnt make it' becasuse he was to small? (Steven Gerrard was one before he shot up at round 14-15) How much talent has been let go becasuse they are to small and cant cope playing on full size pitches?

A drastic look at how we coach youngsters has to be done and the finacial backing put into junior football before we can see a reduction in how many non-english born players are in the Prem?

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posted Aug 9, 2007

lfc if thats what you are seeing(11 year olds on full size pitches) then your county f.a. needs to be reported mate because where i am from they cant go and use full size pitches untill u15s

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posted Aug 9, 2007

betsy .. so where do they play at ages 11-14? there are very few under size pitches in the uk? On the pitch I play sunday morning there are young kids aout 11-12yo waiting to play after us and only the really young (under 11?) play on the smallER pitch

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posted Aug 9, 2007

point taken mate. Where i am there does seem to be substantially more 7aside and 3/4 size pitches also the schools hire out their own pitches to the local youth teams it seem to be something that the local f.a. have pushed.

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posted Aug 9, 2007

I have thought for a while that there should be a quota to fill on premiership clubs and the number of English players in the squad.

I do not think that it would work because the top clubs would debate it too much but i still think it is a good idea that there should be a quota to fill.

One way of getting around it is saying that you do not have to play the players but at least have them in your fist team squad and there should be no obligation to play them in European matches.

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posted Aug 9, 2007

Well, if you actually looked at the regular England line-up
Robinson
Neville Terry Ferdinand A.Cole
Becks Gerrard Lampard J.Cole
Rooney Owen

(personally would have Hargreaves instead of Lampard) but that, on paper, looks like an amazing team!

So, no I dont think English football is in tatters, it's just the national team needs sorting out, and for that we need a decent manager!

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posted Aug 10, 2007

Ironsmike
Just found this article - just about sums it all up ok
here's the link :-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A21220543

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posted Aug 10, 2007

idespiselawro - that IS a great lineup. Trouble is, it's the same lineup that went out far too early in '06, (how many English players are in Portugese leagues? - how many Portuguese in Prem leagues ? )and my take on ironmike's article, is - how strong will the replacements be when the youngsters don't get as much opportunity at playing first team football against world class opposition? That should change for the better with a system overhaul, and - oh yes better managers.

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