posted Jul 17, 2007

nothing i said was "ignorant" you wally.lol at you providing euro2004(beckhams "dont mention the war")as some kind of justification or "achievement" for him.He was utterly useless and clueless during that,his 4th tournament,one which should have been the point of delivery for him after so long underachieving.What we got was a bloated,decadent,appalling display from a figure so overhyped and out of his depth on that stage that he needed a 19 year old kid in Rooney to hold his hand and help him through the tournament.If Rooney hadnt got injured we could well have won that tournament,no thanks to beckham of cause-"the worlds most famous footballer"-who had long since disappeared up his own b ackside.

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posted Jul 17, 2007

Good comeback Dwight

Who taught you to read, Ray Charles?

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posted Jul 17, 2007

WHAT DO YOU DISAGREE WITH?dO you deny he was hopeless in euro2004?Do you deny he was hopeless v brazil in 2002?Do you dent he was hopeless v romania in 2000?Do you deny he was hopeless v portugal in 2006?Do you deny real madrid were europes most successful club until the very point he arrived there and it all went mysteriously downhill?What exactly is your point atall?

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posted Jul 17, 2007

Calm down Dwight. No need to get all upset. I explained all my points in my 'big' message (the one that was a bit too hard for you to read). One day when you are bit more mature you will be able to have sensible discussions with people. Until then I will leave you to calm down a bit. I'm off down the pub for a relaxing pint

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posted Jul 19, 2007

Milky Joe, after reading your 'big' comment and the agro you have taken for writing it and i must say that i agree, although maybe a bit light on the critisism of the other England 'stars'. Dwight dont slate someone for expressing their opinion fully and intelligently. If you just want to throw immature jibes at people then phone into one of those daytime tv chat shows.

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posted Jul 19, 2007

Thanks Atilla It's nice to know there are some people out there who have the intelligence to have a reasoned disussion and be objective and thoughtful in making their points!!
I wasn't sparing the other England 'stars' just felt the main discussion was about Beckham and so didn't need to go into details about other players. I do however feel the whole development of football in this country and the over hyping/over criticising of players has got to stop if we are to move forward.

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posted Aug 3, 2007

I do however feel the whole development of football in this country and the over hyping/over criticising of players has got to stop if we are to move forward.

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hypocrite!!!!


what about ur idol beckham??? quite possible the BIGGEST OVER-HYPE in the history of the game!!


what a joke...

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posted Aug 3, 2007

How am I a hypocrite? I state that Beckham has been both over hyped and over critcised and that this type of treatment of footballers in general needs to stop if we are to move forward in the development of youth players. Do you know what hypocrite means?

Also, how is Beckham my idol? I have given my objective view on both his plus points and minus points and offered a reasoned and sensible argument combining fact, my opinion and the opinion of players/managers/pundits etc. I have neither lauded Beckham as the games greatest nor I have resorted to ignorant insults directed at him as being rubbish. Your argument on the other hand seems to be based entirley on childish comments about Beckham that show no reason, no objectivity and no common sense.

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posted Aug 3, 2007

comment by Milky Joe (aka Trifon Ivanov) part 2
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How am I a hypocrite? I state that Beckham has been both over hyped and over critcised and that this type of treatment of footballers in general needs to stop if we are to move forward in the development of youth players. Do you know what hypocrite means?

Also, how is Beckham my idol? I have given my objective view on both his plus points and minus points and offered a reasoned and sensible argument combining fact, my opinion and the opinion of players/managers/pundits etc. I have neither lauded Beckham as the games greatest nor I have resorted to ignorant insults directed at him as being rubbish. Your argument on the other hand seems to be based entirley on childish comments about Beckham that show no reason, no objectivity and no common sense.


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what reason do u want???


he wasn't a good captain - couldn't lead a bunch of world class players to the world cup last year.


his inspirational moments were FEW and far between, such as the greece game, and a good string of games for real madrid at the END of his time there, and some good performances for manchester united...thats about it.


he's won awards with his teams, but then again traore has a champions league medal so we won't count that, he has individual awards which are great, but on the pitch he lacked a world class quality.

theres no point arguing because it clearly won't change your mind. if u compare beckham to ANY other world class player in HISTORY, he just doesn't live up to it. he was a good player, but the rest is media, a great PR team doesn't mean world class player.


like i said, if zidane really wanted, or if ronaldinho or ronaldo wanted, or if riquelme wanted, they could all earn as much as beckham does within a month, but they are not that type of player, he is.

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posted Sep 1, 2007

wow. its amazing how stupid some people are in discusions. how are ALL of you missing milky's point!?

he's agreeing with you about beckham and giving the other opinion too, and your still argueing? haha.

anyway, i agree with the posts that i have read from you milky. the media need to really take a long hard look at themselves if they want our country to challenge. our problem is we get a player with great potential, he plays a good 20 min stint in a friendly, will make maybe a couple of mistakes in a game, get slated to hell, and as a result, daren't play their game properly for england again! Some other top profile countries are guilty of the same, but do we have to follow? We're always tipped as world beaters, and never deliver as a result.

I'm worried this will happen to players such as richards, who has played so immensely for club, and had a bright england start. one mistake and he'll never dare bob up and down the wing

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