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Ecclestone claims no points loss

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by IanS (U1721085) 05 July 2007
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According to the BBC, Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone said there is "no way" Lewis Hamilton will be docked points whatever the outcome of the Ferrari-McLaren spy row.

How can this be? Knowingly or otherwise, if a driver benefits from his team breaking the rules, it's grossly unfair to every other driver on the grid if points are not deducted from the individual.

I don't understand how Ecclestone can even comment on an FIA judicial process.

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posted Jul 5, 2007

the case needs to be proven, but if it is, it would be difficult to argue that the driver should not lose points if the constructor does. The driver is a part of the team, the car too is part of the team. An unfair advantage should be reflected across the entire team - constructor and driver. How can the constructor benefit but not the driver? And if things were the other way around, the media would be baying for Ferrari and their drivers to be punished. I hope for the sport that the evidence shows McClaren did not use the information, and that the only people punished are the two 'spies'

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posted Jul 6, 2007

Good point raised just above. Imagine it was the other way round. The whole English press would be gunning for Ferrari heads. Now McLaren and Brand Hamilton benefit, so instead its all 'ok'. Does make you wonder. The again, the English medias proved how little they understand about F1 after their compaign following the Monaco F1. On another note, its not Bernie alone who decides about points deducted. McLaren, if found guilty, should be deducted all points for team and drivers from Monaco and forwards.

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posted Jul 6, 2007

i think a driver is an integral part of a formula 1 team... his performance are closely attached to that of the teams... he has to rise and fall alongwith the team he belongs too.

if that is the case then, why should the drivers escape the fate, if mclaren gets punished. i know the drivers must be unware of these things, so might be the team principal (Ron Dennis).
Lets put it in this perspective. It is not necessary that a team principal understands all the technical details, so, we can also argue that since the team principal is unaware of what his fellow sub ordinates are doing, his team (Team principals team) will escape the punishment.


<strong> Does any one remember whether Jenson button and Sato had their points deducted when Honda were found guilty in Imola in 2005 </strong>.
i am extremely sure that jenson had no idea of what had been done to the car, and still had his points deducted...
If that was the verdict in Imola then, why view a similar incident from a different perspective now...

But lets not jump into any conclusions now... It is FIA who decides everything and mclarens have yet to be proved guilty of having used the information

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posted Jul 6, 2007

Well mclaren face the question of how it is, info is being around since april, yet it took till now to admit they have that? I can hardly believe Coughlan was the only one to know. I can also hardly believe if that info was around, it wasnt used for designs on their own equipment. Maybe not strict copy but say, a counter development program to battle any advantages Ferrari may have in specific areas.

But what really makes me puke is that attitude of Dennis, saying the integrity of his team is paramount importance. Mclaren copy n stole ferraris triple deck frontwing since erly 2000. They been caught taking close ups of ferraris cars during the late 90's, erly 2000s wich prompted dennis saying the following famous line:" people who take pictures in casual clothes while working for a rival team, are spies. people who take pictures in team clothes arent" Mclaren got slammed by the fia over that. I also remember a jenkins intervieuw where he stated they had a huge stack of colourphotos of blueprints of rival cars in the mclaren design office.

All that, and the blatant race fixing of jerez 97 and melbourne 98, makes me puke over Dennis. That man should be stopped spouting so many lies trying to delude the knowledgeable fans. Mclaren isnt holier than thou.

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comment by Parag (U1677940)

posted Jul 6, 2007

sorry for my typo..
"he has to rise and fall alongwith the team he belongs to"
in my previous post

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posted Jul 6, 2007

With all this hype about hamilton what is the odds that he doesn't complete the race

Ithink i will have a bet on that

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posted Jul 6, 2007

What investigators found at the home of McLaren chief designer Mike Coughlan it's unbelievable stuff... this guy knew more about Ferrari than Ferrari themselves.
McLaren should be relegated to that mickey mouse GP2 championship

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/motorsport/2007/07/06/dennis--we-re-clean-89520-19414034/

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posted Jul 6, 2007

Is it just me or is Irish_Robbo a bit jealous of Lewis Hamilton because the best his country can produce is Eddie Irvine??
laughlaugh
Eddie Irvine? Surely one of the world's greatest tractor driver ever to have sat in a Ferrari F1 car

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posted Jul 6, 2007

I think Bernie has got a fair point how could Hamilton and Alonso know they are using stolen secrets in their cars

How comes Ferrari who have been using flexi wings , illegal traction control, and aero devices on their tyres and race fixing tactics in recent years never had any points docked .

Ferrari are trying to blame someone else now when they don't have the best driver and the best car anymore !

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posted Jul 6, 2007

I wonder how teams control the flow of information when an important team member leaves and joins another team.

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