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Williams, Smith, Langridge, newly promoted Naval Lieutenant Reed, Partridge and Hodge make up the coxless six project

Jurgen Grobler, the chief coach of the Great Britain men's rowing squad, is fond of springing surprises and you will struggle to find one that has backfired.

When he arrived in the UK from East Germany in 1991, he paired 20-year-old Matthew Pinsent with double Olympic gold-medallist Steve Redgrave, and gained two Olympic golds.

He stuck with Redgrave in the run-up to Sydney 2000, despite growing doubts over his ability to stay on at the highest level to the age of 36, with similar results.

The biggest gamble yet came in 2004, when Pinsent and James Cracknell appeared unable to guarantee gold in their pair and were moved at the last minute into a four for Athens.

The nail-biting victory there continued Grobler's streak of coaching a crew to victory in every Olympic Games since 1972.

It's not a strategy I would have predicted from Jurgen but it's a very, very wise move Peter Reed
So when he announced his decision to move the crew of his coxless four - double world champions and undefeated in 27 races - into an eight for next weekend's World Cup event in Amsterdam there was some surprise but very little criticism.

This is the latest step in Grobler's "coxless six" strategy, keeping selection to the four open to Colin Smith and Matthew Langridge as well as the established quartet of Reed, Andy Hodge, Alex Partridge and Steve Williams.

The six gathered on board aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal for a media conference this week, in part to celebrate crew member Peter Reed's promotion to Naval Lieutenant and also to mark the 25th anniversary of the end of the Falklands.

And it was difficult to find a dissenting voice among them for Grobler's grand plan.

"It's not a strategy I would have predicted from Jurgen but it's a very, very wise move when you look at so many different aspects of it," said Lieutenant Reed, who also admitted he had barely been on a ship since joining the GB squad full time two years ago.

The reasoning behind the move, with eyes firmly on Beijing in 2008, goes something like this:
  • - The coxless four, established early in 2005, could become stale if it is not continually challenged.
  • - An eight is a faster boat so it will help polish technique to make smaller boats move more quickly.
  • - Keeping the four out of action means opponents have less opportunity to work out how they can be beaten.
  • - It helps establish Smith and Langridge, who surprisingly took gold in a pair in the opening World Cup event of the year, at the heart of the top group.


  • Unlike the 2004 move, when Grobler broke up an established four that had its own medal chances to add Pinsent and Cracknell, this move has no knock-on effects.

    The established eight, which finished fifth in Linz, is unaffected with Marcus Bateman and James Orme brought in from lower down the squad to complete this "super eight".

    The four other guys bring something to the project - it's good to hear their ideas Steve Williams
    Williams believes that, as long as they retain their current high form, the established four will be back together (and that will probably happen before the World Championships in Munich in August).

    But the 2004 gold-medallist is another enthusiast for Grobler's latest move and, while standing on 200m runway of Ark Royal, he told me: "I've been in a four for seven seasons and there is a different way to row an eight.

    "It's going quicker so you have to be a bit speedier and we need those speed skills to make our four go faster.

    "It's also nice just to have a bit of a change. When you're working in a team of five - with the coach Jurgen - it's always the same faces, the same voices.

    "We're trying to develop new ideas but the four other guys bring something to the project - it's good to hear their ideas on how they make a boat move."

    It will be difficult to gauge whether this experiment has been successful. Linz winners Canada are just one eight who will be keen to give the new boys a hiding in Amsterdam and the regular GB boat could even reap the benefit of their extra time together.

    Even if things do not go to plan next weekend, there is another year of fine-tuning to be done before Beijing.

    There, one race - the Olympic final - will show whether the tactics of the previous four years are correct.

    But Grobler has rarely been wrong in the past.

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    comment by ian540 (U8679548)

    posted Jun 18, 2007

    Is not so much of a supprise for the four, the change will probobly do them good. More of a supprise for the new pair. Doesn't give them much time to settle in competition before the world champs as a pair. Could Grobler be think of an olympic 8?????

    Ps Ignore the first guy. Swimming, cycling, gymnastics etc have multi discipline athletes and no one's complaining.
    Steve Redgrave is a multiple Diamonds (single scull)champ at Henley which is hardly a failure. Suggesting a sweep rower should be able to jump in a scull and win everything is like saying a mountain biker could road race with no transition. They're different. UK does not have a sculling tradition with the men, sticking with what you are a winner in was always sensible.
    Grobler revolutionised endurance traing which is why the East Germans then UK started winning, not drugs.

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    posted Jun 18, 2007

    The idea about GB rowing picking 'soft events' for an 'easy gold' has its arguments. However, they are seriously flawed! Let's look at the facts:
    Firstly, there are only 3 heavyweight male sweep oar golds available at the Olympics. With all the nations involved, do you think ANY of these will be easy to win?
    Secondly, look at Sydney. The GB men won gold in 2 out of the 3, and narrowly lost out on a medal in the other event.

    Whilst we may not have had that depth of success in Athens, just look at the squad results now including the women and lightweights. I'll be betting Team GB top the rowing medal table in 2008.

    By the way, if joe public wants to know how hard rowing is, go to the rowing machine in your local gym and try to do 2000m in less than 7 minutes and/or 10000m in less than 40mins. This is what an average club rower is able to achieve EASILY.

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    posted Jun 19, 2007

    Let us hope Jurgen doesn't mess around with the Womens Quad, although the World No 1 at the moment, after last years World Championship any tnkering with that boat could really affect moral- for the worse!

    I am looking forward to see if the Mens Lightweight Double Sculls (Zac Purchase's boat) can make some further progress at the next World Cup event. If they can make some inroads into the Danish boat you could be looking at another gold medal prospect for Beijing.

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    comment by U6170180

    posted Jun 21, 2007

    oxfordblue2002.. Ta for that no I don't know a lot about rowing. I do go on my rather battered waterrower and have used concept 2s in gyms. But know nothing of competitive rowing except when I tried it my seat kept slipping and I could not keep time to save my life - yes it is a hard sport albeit I do long rows rather than 7 minutes of murder.

    Yes I did think there was more events to avoid -Have they been cut back? I stand corrected (and no I don't expect rowing fans to be interested in my site! It's a my thing that costs me nothing - never mentioned rowing once and my reader has not asked about it either. I may stretch credulity and be wrong with how I see things but I never make anything up. You won't learn anything if you don't challenge people to correct ignorance).

    However I stand by the odd reaction of some of the crew in 2004 - I make no accusuation but some were distinctly underwhelmed. Some odd comments. May just have been the passing of an era with 2 or 3 of them quitting.

    I don't like having an East German coach but generally believe, maybe naively, our athletes are as clean as any and certainly subject to more testing (I could be naive there also).

    I also stand by the first question Redgrave was asked after his first gold was something like "Come on you must be happy you chose this now?" - he certainly is now. I had no idea or care how he would have done merely it was an issue with him personally. I am also aware that it [sculling] is very different but that is what he was asked.


    Anyway I won't be so jaundiced next time we win gold...... Indeed I can be even happier.

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    posted Jun 23, 2007

    2 seconds quicker tha the other boat, didn't get to see the race but looks good for the final!

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    comment by askhams (U6670950)

    posted Jun 25, 2007

    Well, that was a great result, and an intreresting strtegy. Does anyone think this stratagey would work for a lightweight mens eight, made up of olympic class silver medalists four and double, and gold medalists pair? And, its a shame to break up a good double, but maybe in the long run put the two doublers in the lightweight four to strengthen, remember if the talent is spread to thinly then we get a lot of silvers.

    ANother point, do uyou think Alan Cambell, a consistent finalist and sometimes medalist single sculler, should go and strengthen the doublwe or even make a quad with the doublers? There was a German woman, I forget her name who was the best German sculler, and got the single, and year after year she 'silvered' behind a Russian woman (I think) whereas the lower ranked athletes in the double and quad got golds, Come on GB, we dont have to make the same mistake. Stack crews, dont spread them

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    posted Jun 25, 2007

    China a big worry in many Olympic classes. Suddenly they come out of the woodwork a year before Beijing. Anything suspect there?

    Maybe I'm just to cynical!

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    posted Jun 25, 2007

    Don't start, Earl of Cherwell, we've only just calmed that debate down! China are throwing a load of cash at Olympic sports to be sure of impressing on home soil. As GB have found over the last decade, when you invest properly you get results.

    askhams, I'd argue exactly the opposite. If your best athletes are in smaller boats they have a better chance of realising their potential.

    I've only just emerged from the mudbath at Women's Henley but watched the eights race online and could only gasp, and commentators Dan Topolski and Gary Herbert seemed to be doing likewise. They managed to get the whippier style of an eight without losing any of their power.

    Sounds like - as Steve Williams intimated the week before - it was a one-off to make the four go faster but it seems to have brought the other eight on as well, which has got to be a bonus.

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    posted Jun 26, 2007

    Martin

    I said I was cynical! What I find amazing is the meteoric rise of some of the Chinese boats in less than a year. In the case of the Womens Quad in the space of a month since Linz.

    Their Mens 8 is another case in point. No where last year at the World Championships and now the boat to beat and the same can be said for the Womens 8. I have a long memory and I remember suddenly all those Chinese women athletes no one had heard of winning all the middle distance events about 10 years ago at the World Athletics Championships and then (because of the questions) they all disappeared into obscurity again.

    Oh well, maybe it’s all that caterpillar juice.

    Still if the rest of the world doesn’t respond, we could see more of their boats making astounding progress to the point where they clean-up at least half of all the rowing events at Beijing next year. Mark my words!

    PS Agree with you that Grobler’s ploy has spurred on our 8. Now he may need to do something radical to our Womens Quad, even though this contradicts my earlier post. They looked very lackluster in Amsterdam.

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