posted May 29, 2007

You play well for your club... then you go on to play well for England... surely that it is obvious.
If Lampard all of a sudden starts scoring hatricks for England but fires blanks for United, do you drop him for England no.... but if it goes the other way... even the MLS could recognise that Lampard should be out. McClaren didn't.
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He’s playing well for his club and has proven he can perform at this level, so he should be given the chance to go on and play well for his country, this is using your own logic

Also this is embarrassing arguing with someone about football who thinks Lampard plays for united, please sort this out.

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posted May 29, 2007

All you have proved in that argument is that I made a mistake and put Man Utd in place of Chelsea in regards of Lampard. You haven't answered the fact that Beckham has not played well for England for over 5 years.

My logic is that players are given their chance due to playing well. However, if they don't perform for England, they shouldn't be there. If you don't think that Beckham was given the chance in that time, then what about Aaron Lennon, SWP or Bentley, who you are so quick to write off

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posted May 29, 2007

My logic is that players are given their chance due to playing well. However, if they don't perform for England, they shouldn't be there. If you don't think that Beckham was given the chance in that time, then what about Aaron Lennon, SWP or Bentley, who you are so quick to write off
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Lennon is injured and although he is class is still incosistent. SWP has had a few chances for england and never looked great and cant hold down a place at his club. Bentley plays for a mid-table team while Beckham is playing for Real Madrid and both are doing well.

Every player has bad patches including Beckham but we both know that to say he never had a good game in 5 years is not true. You have no arguement

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posted May 29, 2007

Well ok, under Beckham's captaincy, the last era was considered the biggest waste considering what we had. Beckham failed to inspire the team in any competition or game

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posted May 29, 2007

As much as you would like to, you cant put the last 5 years of england performances on Beckhams shoulders,

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posted May 29, 2007

But if someone played poor, they could be dropped. Beckham couldn't as he is the one Sven relied on, being captain. Sven failed when it mattered and Beckham was as equally characteristic of his failure.

Contributions against minor opposition such as his cross for the goal against Paraguay were matched with non-existent performances against Sweden and Portugal.

The thing is, because of the mess we are in, the game against Estonia is considered almost as big, and that is not down to Beckham's disappearance.

McClaren is not capable enough

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posted May 29, 2007

Contributions against minor opposition such as his cross for the goal against Paraguay were matched with non-existent performances against Sweden and Portugal
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The reason you have no argument is beacuse you rehash points we've already gone over, with possibly the exception of Hargreaves no one played well in the world cup. So why use it as an arguement to drop only beckham?

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posted May 29, 2007

because finn,he epitimised the slow and protective and deep style of play we had to play to accomodate the flat-footed one.We`ll never progress truly as a team that can frighten the top international defences while we have the eternal big match bottler on our set-up.He didnt once threaten a major nation in 5 tournaments,3 as captain,if we seriously think he is any kind of long or even medium term solution,we are massively deluded.The only top class football brain in the england set-up-venables-sees this empty move for what it is and if it costs us his services,thers another "achievement" beckham can put into his cupboard of vacuous failures.

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posted May 29, 2007

One man doesnt make a team, you say he has been slow and 'flat footed' but the fact is he played that way when he won the CL, 6 premiership titles, many domestic cups, runner up in world player of the year etc. To say he is at fault for Englands performances shows how much you know about football, he has won everything at club level so is obvisously a quality and successful player, so why out of all the players who have played over the past 5 years have you picked him as the person soley responsable for the acievements. The truth is a lot of players and managers are responsable for this, if you want to moan and play the blame game then everyone who hasnt performed needs their share as well as beckham.

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posted May 31, 2007

Henry has hit the nail there.Beckham has been in great form,so why should he not return?I am not a great beckham fan but the problem with England especially under errikson was that it did not really matter who was on form.He had his set eleven and that was that.That is why Dunga is a good coach he still respects players with superior reputations but will always play the most on-form players.So i think Pennant should start on the right and Beckham should be on the bench.

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