posted Apr 19, 2007

OMG did you read my comment? i'll say it again then, i said i dont recognise liverpool as a mid table club hence their exclusion and arsenal's, why didnt you mention i excluded valencia as well, when they won it in 2004, these are big CL sides, which is why i never mentioned those 3 i was mentioning mid table clubs not heavyweight clubs, do i have to repeat myself all the time? please read more carefully. What difference does it make if those clubs are lower down the table or relegated? if anything that just reinforces our strength. AT THE TIME they were strong mid table sides and now have been replaced by others. Well done to Everton being top half, but Betis are in a different league, its hard to compare teams where one is bottom half in la liga and top half in prem, ie comparing Getafe and Newcastle or Celta Vigo and Reading, both in different positions in repesective leagues, Betis and Everton are very similar IMO, why are you comparing them anyway in the first place?

And the reasoning your putting on La Liga's mid table teams successes in uefa cup down to them putting more emphasis on the uefa cup is poor, maybe they are stronger ever think of that past that narrow minded Rupert Murdoch brain of you'res? here's another "article" the third i now count, on someone saying la liga has more depth from david beckham http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/football_focus/3494036.stm.

Those epl teams you mentioned are good, but la liga has more depth and has for years tbh.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

Always do this i submit to fast, on that Scudamore comment i forgot to mention and i meant as in the media in general, thats why i was surprised at this article, i never knew ANYONE would dare advocate la liga, just like last season no one uttered a word about la liga being the strongest after it won both european titles, credit to chris bevan again.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

I read it very clearly, but you are trying to prove your point by giving me names of teams that reached the quarter-finals but excluding an English team that won the UEFA cup for whatever reason

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posted Apr 19, 2007

I am comparing Betis to Everton because if you actually remember what you wrote, you said that 'Betis are on a poor run but Everton also. They did something in 2005...'

I was making a point that only very select teams in Spain get the best players, and the ones that don't falter. The amount of teams that just happen to do well all of a sudden shows competition but not of such a high standard, as it appears to be easier to get there

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posted Apr 19, 2007

But that article is over 3 years old. Perhaps Beckham found it more difficult also, as the standard on his own team was not as good. As everyone knows, Real have not been on top form for about 4 years.

Beckham's game was so much easier when he has Scholes on his team playing pinpoint passes and Van Nistelrooy finishing so well, something which Real have found hard to come by

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posted Apr 19, 2007

And you keep on coming with that Rupert Murdoch brain of yours with new articles and new questions for me, and I just keep on coming back.

Viva la Primera Liga de Inglaterra!!

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posted Apr 19, 2007

i have proven it with facts, the uefa cup clearly shows since 2000 that la liga mid table clubs have done better than EPL teams, vastly better and your reason it so poor its laughable, "because they only have 1 good player and they falter afterwards... or something like that" bullcrap. Teams do well out of the sudden?, what about all the teams that have done well in the uefa cup nothing to do with la liga is it? they are in europe and doing well, and the article may be 3 years old but just shows even then la liga had more depth and i'm 100% sure (despite your explanation) that its because of tougher teamss, i quote "every week is a tough game" i know becks thats la liga for you.

"I read it very clearly, but you are trying to prove your point by giving me names of teams that reached the quarter-finals but excluding an English team that won the UEFA cup for whatever reason"

For the last time and last time ONLY! i excluded ARSENAL, LIVERPOOL AND VALENCIA (yes MY TEAM who won the uefa cup in 2004!) from my list because they are not defined as mid table clubs, they are CL sides who were in the uefa cup at the time! FFS! i excluded a la liga side as well, i was only naming mid table clubs, what your saying doesn't make sense then i wouldn't exclude a la liga as well which happens to be my team.

Now you can come back with an even more illogical reply, fine, i'll just answer it with more valid FACTS!

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posted Apr 19, 2007

just so you didn't know valencia won the uefa cup in 2004 (who i excluded along with liverpool).

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posted Apr 20, 2007

The scoreline yesterday at El Riazor shows that the level of teams in the UEFA cup is hardly consistent. It really does not necessarily back up that the teams were as good.

Cup competitions that have teams of various standards do not necessarily mean that the teams that get to the latter stages are actually the better teams.

And I will use Middlesbrough last year as my first example. They are by no means the better than teams such as Bolton, who went out earlier in the competition.

Use the FA cup as another example, Liverpool won it last year and then went out in the 3rd round this season.

Cup competitions with teams perhaps show progress of clubs, and it is great for clubs to win things but to compare the achievements against quality of the teams in the league is absurd.

Also if you look at the results in the group stages this year, where there is more interactive competition, and where you all liable to lose games, all English teams finished top of their group, above Spanish teams where appropriate.

Tottenham were unlucky to lose to Sevilla away from home due to a debatable penalty in Seville. If they had managed a draw in the first leg, who knows what may have happened?

However, as you know, Deportivo were comfortably beaten, so what are you saying now? Deportivo are better than Spurs just because they lost in the quarter-finals?

The Champions League however, contains the best teams in the league. The teams that reach the final stages have to compete at a much higher level in group stages, and the teams that are left, in theory should be on another level, where as the UEFA cup could contain a 3rd Division club who win the domestic cup. Not quite the same.

So to instantly assume that the UEFA Cup 'proves' the depth of quality in a league is naive.

As for Beckham, he just hasn't found the same form in Spain or for England. Since he broke his foot in 2002 before the World Cup, he has not been the same player. It doesn't necessarily mean that the standard of his surroundings was massively better.

And by the way, saying that the UEFA cup shows that the depth in the league is not a FACT. It is your opinionated statement of argument.

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posted Apr 25, 2007

Cup competitions that have teams of various standards do not necessarily mean that the teams that get to the latter stages are actually the better teams.

And I will use Middlesbrough last year as my first example. They are by no means the better than teams such as Bolton, who went out earlier in the competition.

Use the FA cup as another example, Liverpool won it last year and then went out in the 3rd round this season.

Cup competitions with teams perhaps show progress of clubs, and it is great for clubs to win things but to compare the achievements against quality of the teams in the league is absurd.

Also if you look at the results in the group stages this year, where there is more interactive competition, and where you all liable to lose games, all English teams finished top of their group, above Spanish teams where appropriate.

Tottenham were unlucky to lose to Sevilla away from home due to a debatable penalty in Seville. If they had managed a draw in the first leg, who knows what may have happened?

The Champions League however, contains the best teams in the league. The teams that reach the final stages have to compete at a much higher level in group stages, and the teams that are left, in theory should be on another level, where as the UEFA cup could contain a 3rd Division club who win the domestic cup. Not quite the same.

So to instantly assume that the UEFA Cup 'proves' the depth of quality in a league is naive.

As for Beckham, he just hasn't found the same form in Spain or for England. Since he broke his foot in 2002 before the World Cup, he has not been the same player. It doesn't necessarily mean that the standard of his surroundings was massively better.

And by the way, saying that the UEFA cup shows that the depth in the league is not a FACT. It is your opinionated statement of argument.

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