posted Apr 7, 2007

windrunner1 - Football focus listed just a few of the incidents at the stadio olympico over the last 6 years and it didn't read very well. More or less a game postponed every other year for violence and an average of 2 or 3 stabbings a year. They have a serious problem and perhaps this incident will finally bring it to light. The sad thing is it has taken so long.

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posted Apr 8, 2007

After that Italian Officer died a month or so ago, the Police were always likely to resort to that type of force.

The answer is simple, don't throw things back, don't charge the fence.

I do feel for the innocent Man U fans, but as with all clubs, there is always a small minority wanting trouble.

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posted Apr 8, 2007

Rafas-red-army - What was the excuse in 1997? The game was poorly policed. Why don't people accept that? You are offering excuses for the inexcuseable. I understand that the retalitory action of the Man U fans means some should get prosecuted but the whole set up, policing the prawn sandwich brigade and not the Ultras, the overshadowing of all the stabbings and beatings outside the ground have to lead to the conclusion a) the policing was inadequate and b) they had another agenda. What ever that may have been.
You as a LFC fan should realise what a hostile place the stadio olympico is. So, please stop making excuses for the Italian authorities incompitence and dare I say it, victimisation of Man U fans. This is meant to be a professional organisation and not a motley band of fans! They are paid to do what they did. The Man U fans paid to be there and carried no authority from the state or club!

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posted Apr 8, 2007

At the end of the day, what the United fans did in Rome was no worse than what the Roma fans did, and yet there was no aggressive policing of the Roma fans, only soft stewarding. In fact, the first time the Roma fans rushed the perspex between the two sets of supporters, the Stewards are clearly seen goading the United fans...There was absolutely no justification for the repeated beating of United fans. There should have been police along both sides of the prespex, with both sets of supporters then none of this would of happened. Its about time Europe were brought into the 21st century as far as policing football matches are concerned. English football has made massive steps towards wiping out scenes like this, as well as racism within football. Crowd trouble, racism and violent policing are all still very much a part of European football and UEFA regularly turn a blind eye. When Leeds fans were stabbed and murdered in Turkey a few years back, it was Leeds who were threatened with expulsion if there were any repeat scenes at Elland Road, and nothing was done about the shocking scenes in Turkey. Clubs in Spain are regularly fined peanuts for racist behaviour by their fans. Vespa's being thrown from the stands at the San Siro, Pigs Head thrown from the stands at the Nou Camp..Stabbings and violence at Roma games alone in the last six years, match fixing and corruption are rife and yet there is still no action taken by UEFA. English clubs are still being punished for things that happened twenty years ago.

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posted Apr 8, 2007

Uglyfooty - As you say, those who have followed the situation around the world have known this for years. Unfortunately, the people who are most vocal are often the least informed. English fans and clubs have been penalised for admitting and confronting their problems whilst the clubs in continental Europe have continually swept their problems under the carpet. The FA has not helped either. It has seemed unwilling to defend it's fans on this issue and has shown extreme arrogance in not getting involved in the Int. governing bodies. Therefore, depriving itself of a voice at the international level.
UEFA has been gutless in not wanting to tackle the bigger problem and not wanting to offend the larger nations in Europe, who have involved themselves in Int. boards. The larger nations have revelled in blaming the "English" for all their troubles because it helps mask their own. It also keeps the EPL in it's place because if the EPL flexed it's financial might to it's fullest UEFA would have a heavy English slant. Not a desireable situation for the other "big" leagues. Shameful and shocking all round. Italian clubs should have been banned from European competition years ago and Spanish clubs taken to task over the racism issue, instead of allowing them to take the issue so lightly.
The one good thing about these situations is that the old myths might finally get debunked and the truth may now have to be faced. Thank goodness as it will benefit the whole of European football. All that is now left is to finally tackle the on field cheating and corruption!

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posted Apr 8, 2007

lets not upset english fans ,theyve been so good for a while now...c'mon the rest of us lets give them a few bits of mindless violence every now & then or it wouldnt be fair!

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posted Apr 9, 2007

Anyone still wanting to believe the Manc thugs didn't get exactly what they deserved needs to check out this seven minute video. It shows exactly what went on. See this and you can't blame the Italian police one little bit.

http://mediacenter.corriere.it/MediaCenter/action/player?uuid=7e20c102-e436-11db-8b30-0003ba99c53b

Ban Manchester United from Europe now.

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posted Apr 10, 2007

I couldn't watch that for some reason, didn't stream right.

There's no doubt some ManUtd fans did kick off some trouble by charging the police line. I think most people are agreed on that. The problem is, however, that the police used the batons to fight them back EVEN AFTER they'd already started retreating! The baton is used for protection and prevention. If their goal was to fight them back they did not need to continue to beat them after they'd turned and were running back. There were some walking in to help their friends off the ground who were also beaten, and those who caused the trouble were not ejected from the ground, as they should have been if the police were vindicated in using the truncheons!


There's also the case of doule standards - why were Roma fans permitted to charge the fence and throw bottles but Man Utd fans were battered when they retaliated? (Again, as I said, the ManU fans should have been punished and arrested, but so should the guilty Roma fans!)

And if people say "that's just the way it happens in this country" then fair enough. But in that case the ManUtd fans should also have been allowed to do it, and international football should not be staged in that country.

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posted Apr 10, 2007

comment by MsSantaCruzCounty
posted 20 Hours Ago

Anyone still wanting to believe the Manc thugs didn't get exactly what they deserved needs to check out this seven minute video. It shows exactly what went on. See this and you can't blame the Italian police one little bit.

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Seven minute video eh? Conclusive when the events lasted about 45 minutes!

I've watched this video and it shows exactly what I've already seen. Man U fans reacting to Roma fans, and getting angry with the police when they see them piling in to red shirts but not orange 9ones. Its a complete disgrace and Italian football does not have a leg to stand on, their hooliganism is some of the worst in Europe.

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posted Apr 10, 2007

all hooligans deserve to die.

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