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Let's sit down and talk about standing up

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The entertainment on offer at the City of Manchester Stadium, the replacement for Stuart Hall's much-loved Theatre of Base Comedy, has been rather turgid of late but all that is set to change. Whereas Manchester City supporters have only been moved to get out of their seats and holler as the final whistle approaches, Rod Stewart fans will be quite literally dancing in the aisles come 28 June.

OK, those fans may not be forever young like their favourite, or jig about as much as fans of previous star turns such as Oasis, the Red Hot Chili Peppers or Nicolas Anelka, but they will at least get off their backsides for the duration of the performance and show their appreciation. How Stuart Pearce could use such "atmosphere" right now.

The irony of the stadium being used as a venue for the Peter Pan of pop rock will not be lost on City fan Phill Gatenby, and it has nothing to do with the fact that Stewart will no doubt name-check his love for United. The real reason for Gatenby’s resigned shrug, raised eyebrows or whatever it is he does to register irony, is that he has been campaigning for the return of safe standing at English grounds for over seven years.

Gatenby is currently heading the Football Supporters’ Federation effort to bring the issue back in from the deep freezer it was sent to by the Taylor Report – the inquiry into the Hillsborough disaster which resulted in the deaths of 96 Liverpool fans.

He (and a great many football fans, if surveys are to be believed) thinks it is time to re-examine the issue of standing at football matches and I think he has a point.

Football fans can’t be trusted to stand at the City of the Manchester Stadium but music fans can – that’s got to be nonsense, hasn’t it? And if that isn’t a flagrant enough case of double standards and old-fashioned stereotyping, why is it “safe” for rugby league, rugby union, speedway and football below the Championship to have standing areas?

Why does the government consider it safe to let people stand on the bus or in the corridors of high-speed trains but not the Bobby Moore Lower, Kop or Stretford End?

As for the complete horlicks of a compromise that is the fact that Cardiff City and Plymouth Argyle fans are allowed to stand in the Championship for three years but not a fourth…well, don’t get me started.

Nobody who remembers the television pictures of 15 April 1989, let alone anybody with a closer connection to the event, will need reminding of the appalling scenes they witnessed that day. It was a tragedy, but it was also a disgrace. And that was the true finding of Lord Taylor’s inquiry.

The cause of what happened in Sheffield was a combination of inadequate facilities and, most importantly, bad policing and almost non-existent stewarding. The result of the report, however, was the removal of perimeter fencing and the move towards all-seater stadia.

With a national mood of disgust and shame at what had happened (and the hooligan-stained years that had preceded Hillsborough), it almost went unnoticed that football was perhaps throwing out the baby with the bath water when it demanded plastic seats to be bolted on to famous terraces for safety reasons.

But then getting fans to sit down was never really about safety per se: it was about control. It is easier to monitor a person’s behaviour when you have sold them a ticket for an allocated seat than it is if they are somewhere among 15,000 people on a terrace.

There is a school of thought that says the move to all-seaters was a plot by the football authorities to raise prices, get a better class of customer through the gates and generally present a more modern face to the world. Hence the Premier League, the “prawn sandwich brigade” and cheerleaders at half-time.

But I prefer accidental combinations of factors as opposed to conspiracies for explaining most trends. Grounds before Hillsborough were accidents waiting to happen and needed to be upgraded. Hooliganism was rife and the terraces gave hooligans anonymity. A decade of Thatcherism was seeing a nation become more middle-class and less tolerant of second-rate services. Satellite television was coming and it needed a shiny new product to tempt people to pay for something they had previously got for free. And then there was Hillsborough itself – 96 people died on an old-fashioned terrace, therefore old-fashioned terraces must go.

So where does that leave us now, almost 18 years later?

Well, on the upside, there are lots of new grounds with clean toilets and even cleaner sight lines, more female and ethnic minority fans, and the players on show are better, but then they should be as the talent pool they are being selected from has widened considerably.

On the downside, we have unhappiness about ticket prices and cynicism about the sterility of many top-flight matches. The mega-bucks Premier League should be worried about two numbers I got from pro-standing group Stand Up Sit Down (SUSD) – only 9% of crowds at PL games now are under 24 and the average age of a supporter at those games is 45. Priced out and bored, the young are staying away.

We seem to have lost too much of what made going to a football match so attractive – the joy of interacting with and responding to an unpredictable drama with hundreds of like-minded people, without being told to sit down by stewards or feeling guilty for blocking the views of people unable or unwilling to respond and interact in the same way.

And it is on this last point that SUSD is campaigning for “a common-sense solution” - letting fans in certain parts of the ground do what they want to do anyway, stand up. It is a low-cost answer in that it doesn’t require clubs to rip out their seats, and concerns over “cascade effect” injuries from fans toppling down the stands are not supported by the statistics – and they are certainly no more of a factor than they would be at, say, a Rod Stewart concert.

My view on this is that it is a bit of fudge, but a sensible fudge. I would prefer to stand on modern, properly maintained terraces without the potential hazard of a seat in my way, but I agree with SUSD that the freedom to choose would be nice.

The official line from the Department of Media, Culture and Sport and the body it set up to implement the Taylor Report, the Football Licensing Authority, is that all-seater stadia are still the best way to ensure safety and public order. And they say no new evidence has been presented to suggest otherwise.

They may have a case on the first part of that equation but their unwillingness to enter into debate on the matter makes me suspicious that they know the safety defence is flawed. The worst injuries I have sustained at a football match have been bruised knees from knocking into the seats.

I think football culture in this country has moved on (and yes I do say that in full awareness of the trouble that occurred between two sets of thugs a mile from Stamford Bridge on Sunday). I also think the DCMS stance is compromised by its inconsistent treatment of people when at football matches as opposed to any other form of entertainment, sporting or otherwise.

And most importantly, I think there is a working example of how standing can be reintroduced to British football: the Bundesliga, and this brings me back to the FSF’s Phill Gatenby.

He has just returned from a trip to Germany where he saw games at three leading stadia (which were good enough for Fifa) that have a combined standing area of over 50,000 places and an average ticket price (that also gets you free travel on game day) for adults of about £7.

If it is working over there, why can’t it work here?

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posted Mar 17, 2007

Zeppelin100 - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Why post this comment? It's not "controversial", it is inflammatory.

The key word in your post is "apparenetly" (sic). You are just regurgitating the opinion of a (drunken) old man, who subsequently withdrew his comments and apologised for any upset or offence caused.

People often ask why there is still a campaign for Justice, 17 years on. Opinions like yours are one of the reasons why – to educate those whose opinion has been formed by what they have read in the tabloids, rather than the actual facts.

The Taylor report cleared fans of any blame with regards to the Hillsborough disaster. Please go to http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/ for further information.

With regards to the terracing debate, my opinion is that there is only one way to guarantee that "nothing like that can happen again" – do not bring back terracing. I can give you 96 reasons why this should be the case.

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posted Mar 17, 2007

As somebody who watches Rugby League on a regular basis I have always found standing to be far better than sitting. The atmosphere generated and the comararderie makes the experience of going to a match a lot more enjoyable than the sterile experience of sitting. Also those who actually want to sit at all seater grounds often get frustrated at the tendancy for fans to stand when the action gets exciting. Surely the common sense approach demands terraces with tickets sold at a reduced rate?

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posted Mar 17, 2007

How come there isn't a justice for Ibrox 1971 campaign or a justice for Burnden Park 1947 ?) campaign.

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posted Mar 17, 2007

Let's get this straight about the REAL reason why the football authorities don't want the return of standing sections at football (even though we already have unofficial standing at virtually every ground). It's because they want to continue to exclude certain types of people from football matches. They don't want noisy working-class folk at the games. In their ideal world they would have every stadium full of corporate guests, and played in total silence. Their reasoning has nothing to do with safety or security, it's all about excluding those who don't fit into their own social class.

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comment by U7743092

posted Mar 17, 2007

Bring back the terraces, league 1 & 2 teams still have them and there has been no serious problems

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comment by MrPerky (U4299582)

posted Mar 17, 2007

I'm a Cardiff city supporter with a season ticket on the terraces. I'm dreading having to sit down for a game of football. The atmosphere will go! there are sections of seating where people stand - clubs should ensure that this is not clamped down on because it takes away the fans enjoyment of a game...I've been to 2 premirship games this year- at Old Trafford and Villa Park. Crowd control is Over the Top- telling people to sit down?? whats it coming to! Yes we want to get rid of idiots and hooligans-but not the atmosphere! The atmosphere in other countries is far better, as opposed to the boring sit down and shut up of the good old UK

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posted Mar 17, 2007

"Let's get this straight about the REAL reason why the football authorities don't want the return of standing sections at football (even though we already have unofficial standing at virtually every ground). It's because they want to continue to exclude certain types of people from football matches. They don't want noisy working-class folk at the games...Their reasoning has nothing to do with safety or security, it's all about excluding those who don't fit into their own social class."

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Personally I would not want some people to be allowed to attend .There is a certain 'social underclass' that cannot respect others and act with a scumbag and violent mentality. They are not 'working' class. They just have no morals and deserve to be kept away from events such as football matches. And if all seater stadium keeps these people away great. But the issue here is if standing returns will it be safe and will people get a decent view. If this can be guaranteed then bring on the noisy supporters.

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posted Mar 21, 2007

Duncan74 - the whole Hillsborough thing - it was hideous. I saw Liverpool fans en-route that day in coaches. I know I must have seen people who did not come home.

BUT, the truth, no matter how hard it is to swallow, was that it was a combination of many things that shouldn't have happened - terrible cack-handed policing, Liverpool "supporters" (not true ones in my opinion) climbing over the wall without tickets, shoddy terracing protection rails, a fence keeping people in, poor access in and out of the terracing etc etc.

However, what if you take all of the above and then add seats to it? How would that have helped?

The truth is that standing can be safe, as has clearly been shown for many other events, week in, week out. Policing must be good, safety must be good (but should be anyway so let's not get confused here) and people themsleves must take responsibility for their actions.

I have to say that sitting is uncomfortable, crowded in its own way, and also takes all the atmosphere away.

If we can take the obvious temptation to use langaue about "96 reasons" etc away from this debate, because it does not actually address the real reasons for such a disaster, then I think maybe we could actually have some common sense on this issue and let people have the option at least. I, and many other supporters, would always take the standing option each and every time.

I don't, however, feel that it will go anywhere as it is not politically correct to discuss it. What a shame.

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comment by Tee See (U6612358)

posted Mar 27, 2007

comment by 5ForKeeps

tc33960, in answer to your question which top-flight clubs would want a standing section. One club in particular, Liverpool. To have The Kop back as a standing terrace be it in a new stadium or Anfield would be just brilliant.

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I think the new 'Anfield' would be an ideal chance for Liverpool to bring in a standing terrace. However I still think that most clubs would be hesitant to make changes to existing grounds. The cost of demolishing, re-working and re-installing is a lot of effort.

Granted a lot of the fans want it though. When I go and watch Brentford standing behind the goal and the rush to thr front when a goal goes in is all part of the experience.

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posted Sep 13, 2008

This article is a load of balls, now after how many years does a campaign get going to bring back standing areas when all the teams in the top 2 leagues have spent millions on changing or moving grounds, now their told they can change back again. we're going round in circles trying to get everyone to spend more and more money.

Leave things how they are, let people stand if they want to or sit down if they wish. After all this is a free country last time i checked and we have the right to do what we want.

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