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by music_man333 (U7241104) 08 March 2007
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3-0 in the first twenty minutes go the toon go.

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comment by ucheibe (U6519534)

posted Mar 9, 2007

FOR A TEAM TO LOSE 8 REGULAR FIRST TEAM PLAYERS INCLUDING SOME THAT ARE PRONE TO MISTAKES IN THE FIELD COMING THIS FAR DESERVES OUR CONGRATULATIONS.

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posted Mar 9, 2007

Firstly I'd like to welcome anyone coming to Alkmaar for the return leg. Its a great little place with all the usual attractions of a Dutch town! Hopefully you will come for at least a few days, there are pleanty of bars etc and we are all pretty friendly and relaxed. Here, we are all disappointed with the way AZ played the 1st leg. Very casual defending and not enough bite. Our midfield was our lightweight attacking version and with Newcastle pushing right up in the first half we were overwhelmed. Also I thought everything was right on the button for Newcastle in the first half, all the flicks were coming off and Dyer and Martins were on top form. I think our approach to the return leg will be to try and replicate the second half of the first leg by winning each half 1-0 and so the match 2-0. I am interested to know what the geordie fans think of their teams away record..have you scored many goals away? Our stadium will be full on Thurs (ok its only 17000) and we have come back from 'the dead' before so there will be some confidence about. But whatever I am sure we will see lots of attacking and goals. We look forward to seeing you all for a few beers and some great footie action...and to hearing some great geordie accents and humour..see you on the Waagplein in Alkmaar!!

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comment by Shady77 (U4864853)

posted Mar 9, 2007

Responding to Altern8Addick.
So what your saying is, if the ball had of hit his arm somewhere else and he'd bottled it (like a Southerner) by turning his back, then we would have got away with it? How does that make a difference? There was no 'intent', no 'ball to hand', and he couldn’t have moved his hands away as the ball was travelling too quickly. why don't players just start kicking the ball off defenders hoping that it hits their arm to win a penalty (as long as it's not 'higher up' or there body is 'turned away') Pen every time, apparently!!! Clap-Trap.

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posted Mar 9, 2007

In reply to andybrel We have not lost away in Europe this seaosn and in 7 games (i think) we have only conceeded 1 goal in Belgium.

I honestly can not see AZ keeping a clean sheet so they will need 3 or 4 goals at home and from what I saw last night we are clear favorites to go through... We shoul dhave gotten at least 6 last night and lets hope that does not come back to sting us!

Well done Spurs too!!!

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posted Mar 9, 2007

So players should just start playing football with their hands tied behind their backs, yeah right because that'll be good for balancing. No way was that a penalty, disgraceful decision, and the channel 5 commentators are always terrible.

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posted Mar 9, 2007

comment by Mock_Turtle
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So players should just start playing football with their hands tied behind their backs, yeah right because that'll be good for balancing. No way was that a penalty, disgraceful decision, and the channel 5 commentators are always terrible.
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its difficult with these decisions as you rarely get an objective view when debating them afterwards.

personally i don't even know what the rule is, does it state in the rules somewhere that it has to be hand to ball? if a player blocks a shot on the goal line with his hand but it wasn't deliberate should the attacking team not get a penalty?

i think taylor was a bit unlucky but he did prevent a cross going into the box, surely the award of the penalty is correct as he gained an advantage from the handball? deliberate or otherwise. the confusion comes in as the referees are all individuals and the decision is a judgement call rather than application of a cast iron rule.

taylor was unlucky in that the visitors to anfield or old trafford don't get a penalty in that situation, though theres every chance of it being given anywhere else

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comment by Shady77 (U4864853)

posted Mar 9, 2007

So what's the conclusion then (if there is one), Taylor couldn't have done anything to prevent the penalty, even through no fault of his own, a free shot at goal would be awarded becasue the ball was kicked off his arm.! So when coaching, managers/coaches should instruct their players to either, A: Not attempt to block the cross. B: Attempt to block the cross but make sure your arms are behind your back and if possible up your shirt. C: Block the shot but make sure your facing the other way and make sure the ball hits you higher up the arm. or D: Sign completly armless defenders! (N:B. not a good idea for goalkeepers) And remember don't coach players to block the shot with your arms down and tight to your sides to prevent the awarding of a penalty. FACT. good. balls.

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posted Mar 9, 2007

comment by Shady77
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So what's the conclusion then (if there is one), Taylor couldn't have done anything to prevent the penalty, even through no fault of his own, a free shot at goal would be awarded becasue the ball was kicked off his arm.! So when coaching, managers/coaches should instruct their players to either, A: Not attempt to block the cross. B: Attempt to block the cross but make sure your arms are behind your back and if possible up your shirt. C: Block the shot but make sure your facing the other way and make sure the ball hits you higher up the arm. or D: Sign completly armless defenders! (N:B. not a good idea for goalkeepers) And remember don't coach players to block the shot with your arms down and tight to your sides to prevent the awarding of a penalty. FACT. good. balls.
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there isn't a definitive conclusion without (a) a cast iron rule for this kind of thing written down in black & white (pardon the pun) or (b) the same referee referees every game and his decisions are made without prejudice

i agree taylor was unlucky, he couldn't do anything about it and i fully understand the gripes about it. however, all refs are individuals who will see things their own way so its hardly suprising theres no consistency with refs when half the rules (among them most of the important ones) are left open to the referees interpretation of the incident.

as i say, if that happens on the goal line are you saying that it shouldn't be a penalty? and after making ones mind up about that then one has to interpret whether the player should be sent off or not?

its a ballache innit?

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comment by Shady77 (U4864853)

posted Mar 9, 2007

Deliberate or not? Could he have avoided the hand ball or not? Apparently this is what the referee's are asked to question before making a decision. So if this is the case the Ref, who didn't have a bad game, got this decision wrong. That's my argument. And if you showed that instance to 100 people, I'm very confident that a high persentage would say that it shouldn't have been a pen. Just don't ask any Channel 5 commentators or Sunderland fans. Have a good weekend.

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posted Mar 12, 2007

good point about the penalty.

1. Yes, southerners do back away like that i.e. John Terry
2. Yes, they get away with it i.e. John Terry
3. Unfortunately the modern game is all about stealing a yard through such little tricks.
4. Another example of such is 'diving' i.e. Robben, Ronaldo et al.

So no it ain't claptrap. I don't like it but yes people will kick the ball at a defenders arm and hope for a penalty.

This is not a gentleman's sport anymore, sure you appreciate that.

Oh and on the subject I was always amazed by how Henchoz (who plays 'oop north') got away with so many handball decisions going his way.



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