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Why can't Toyota Win?

Formula One
by colenzo (U6715251) 01 December 2006
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We know Toyota has the second largest budget in Formula One after Scuderia Ferrari and yet the results have been mediocre in the extreme. I would argue that to succeed in Formula One, it does not require money alone, but level of competence in management and technical areas as well. Ferrari has outspent all other teams since at least 1986 and yet even with the services of Prost, Mansell, and Schumacher, the championships only came in abundance after 2000.

Looking at this another way, Ferrari from 1996 onwards is a continuation of Benetton from the early 1990’s, with Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne as engineers and designers, Jean Todt as team manager from Peugeot and the services of many others from companies such as Honda and Cosworth involved with the engine development. In short, it was expertise rather than money that was lacking in Ferrari’s development. Taking this argument further, it can be seen that Mclaren and Williams, even when sponsors withdraw funding and engines change, have had a modicum of success, for example Williams-Judd in 1987 and certainly the Mclaren-Ford of 1993 with a combination of an all round competent vehicle and first class driver was something to behold.

Toyota has a football club owners view to management, if one person does not succeed then sack them! This is not how results are achieved in Formula One, it takes the development over years of specific expertise that lends an organisation the stability to develop in reaction to track conditions, technical advances and rule changes. Mclaren, Williams, Benetton and Ferrari have demonstrated that they do this, Honda now can and other teams such as BMW-Sauber and Red Bull are trying to do the same. Toyota remind oneself of the laughable Jaguar concern, a team that utterly failed to manage the finer details of Formula One. Sure, it takes money to succeed in Grand Prix racing, but this is a complicated sport and it take expertise and competence as well to win races and world championships.

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posted Dec 6, 2006

Hmm...Intertesting.

I'd say it's because the team is too inexperienced in comparison to teams such as Renault and Ferrari at this game.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Toyota will be winning races in F1, like they used to in the WRC. It's just a matter of time in my opinion. Hopefully, their partnership with Williams can act like a Catalyst...

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posted Dec 6, 2006

I think the budget is what is holding them back.

They have had too much money right from the get go. The Drivers and Technical Director were/are vastly overpaid. I suspect many of the other woirkers are as well. They are less hungry and less productive than other teams. Generally working things to a budget forces you to be more creative. But Toyota have blatently thrown money at every aspect of the car and have become completely inefficient.

Someone else posted a while back that if Williams outperform Toyota over the next couple of years then they may exit and just become a engine supplier. I think they may be right.

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posted Dec 11, 2006

colenzo you nailed it. Toyota is not winning and will not be winning unless they provide stability, and this goes beyond their driver lineup, it applies to their technical department. Changing managers, team boss, technical directors and designers does not serve any purpose.
Even if you take the football, the most successful teams are the teams which provide stability over extended period of time.

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posted Dec 11, 2006

They're not very good.

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posted Dec 13, 2006

spot on, usernamed606 smiley
The car in front is definitely not a Toyota

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posted Dec 17, 2006

Be a winner in F1 is very difficult, be a champion is almost imposible...you must have a top car and almost a great driver. In this moment Toyota doesnt have any of them.

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