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by hox (U1679248) 29 November 2006
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Finally, after several days of will he, won't he, Andy Robinson has resigned. I have nothing personal against the guy, and as the RFU statement said he did a lot for England up to the World Cup. But the subsequent failures meant that he really should have gone a year ago.

So here we are, less than a year away from the next world cup, without a Manager, without a settled team, without a pattern of play, and frankly without a cat in hells chance of retaining the title. Who is going to take charge? There has been talk of Martin Johnson, Warren Gatland, Rob Andrew and a dozen more. Personally I'd like to see an experienced head coach take it on. Although I'm a Tigers fan, I think Johnno needs some time in a coaching or management role at club level before considering the England job.

My preference would be for a caretaker to take us up to the next world cup, use the time to try some new blood, then bring Johnno in to take us through to 2011. But I'm sure a lot of people have other ideas!!

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posted Nov 29, 2006

I think your spot on with that one. Get someone like Mallet or Gatland in shot term and have Jonno as assistant, certainly till after RWC. Be nice if Jonny Wilkinson and Hilly are fit, but I wouldn't hold my breath. If we make the semi's I would be over the moon. Roll on 2011! Here's a contentious one....what about Will Carling as coach?

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comment by ladge67 (U1978424)

posted Nov 29, 2006

I think Rob Andrew will take over in the short term, they probably will need a forwards coach though, maybe Johnson could look after this.

It'll be a short term measure until after the 2007 WC and matrix I agrre I'll be very happy if we get to the semi's.

I actually think we could be a dark horse if we get back some key personel, Wilko, Hill and Farrell comes good and also some brave decisions are made in selection, DWS or Forester, Allen, Lamb maybe get their chance.

All we need is a game plan and some tactics. Personally I'd prefer to go back to the normal English style of play, Dominate the forwards and play attractive rugby when its on and not to try a force it. It's how we won the WC in 2003 and how we should have won it in 1991. Leave the fancy dancy stuff to the Welsh, NZ and Australia!!

Contentious coach .... what about Stuart BArnes <laugh><laugh>

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posted Nov 29, 2006

I'm not sure about that. Martin Johnson has done nothing as head coach. Sure he would be great in the setup, but he'd need time to prove himself as a head coach. I mean he's done nothing in that role so far. Just because he was a great captain, and understands rugby well doesn't mean it'll all transfer well into being head coach. If you look at everyone in rugby, they all say Martin Johnson should be involved but not head coach. He needs time to prove himself in this area. Hopefully he might oneday be a great coach. No however I would like to see someone like Dean Richards come in. 2 time Heineken cup winner coaching leicester. Proven coach. Just what England needs. I also quite like Dean Ryan of Gloucester, he's got them playing some very exciting rugby. Just what England need. But not Johnson, not yet anyway until he has had top level coaching experience.

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posted Nov 29, 2006

I'd like to see Jonno involved somewhere - perhaps, as you suggest, as an assistant to Dean Richards. But I think the caretaker thing wouldn't really work - if a caretaker does well (eg semi) why then get rid of them after the World Cup? And if they don't do well, nobody could blame them and it would seem fair to allow them to continue building whatever they had started.

Because of that, I'd like to see someone come in to stay through until 2011 (but not guaranteed to if they don't perform) who will start moving us in the right direction and continue to build as Sir Clive was able to do. Richards could well be that man.

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posted Nov 29, 2006

Jonno's strength will be as an ambassador or advisor to the team captain. That's where his real experience lies and where he might be able to make a contribution. I think the AB's regularly have inspirational pre match team talks from past captains/players where the emphasis is upon representing country, silver fern and past teams.

Dean Richards would be an interesting selection - he has the background at a national level and the player experience. It will, however, send a clear message that the England game will be about strong forward play....a bit like the Boks then, isn't that a bit out of date now?

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posted Nov 29, 2006

All we need is a game plan and some tactics. Personally I'd prefer to go back to the normal English style of play, Dominate the forwards and play attractive rugby when its on and not to try a force it. It's how we won the WC in 2003 and how we should have won it in 1991. Leave the fancy dancy stuff to the Welsh, NZ and Australia!!

Contentious coach .... what about Stuart BArnes

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Ladge67 You had me at the first paragraph copied above. All this crap about "open" rugby is just that. NO, REPEAT NO WC Winner has done it on twinkle toed pretty play without a tough, ruthless set of forwards delivering the ball. Pick your contact sport and the game is won "in the trenches", whether it be Rugby Union, Rugby League, American Football (Offensive and Defensive lines) and football (defence and holding midfielders). People who win without these are the exception rather than the rule.

The great thing about the SCW teams was that they had both the ability to pound the living daylights out of people and then give 'em the pretty stuff late in the game and win "going away".

But then you went and ruined it all by mentioning Barnes; possibly the least fit man to ever try to squeeze into a rugby jersey. All he'd be able to show the lads is how to get the barman's attention at last orders!

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posted Nov 29, 2006

Here's a contentious one....what about Will Carling as coach?

Matrix: What experience does Carling have (excuse my ignorance; I live in the US)? He certainly would be an interesting choice but aren't we in the MJ/Kevin Keegan "people's choice" trap here?

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comment by twig (U3229672)

posted Nov 30, 2006

The situation we find ourselves in tipifies the lack of a RFU plan for country and club. Martin Johnson is touted as a potential member of the England setup, no problem with that in principle. The problem I have is that for all the former senior players with vast experience and opinions on what is going wrong - where have the RFU been developing people from player to coach to manager - no where.

The RFU have to see every aspect of this as a business, not just the commercial aspect. Over the past 20 years all the home countries have let extraordinary talent just drift into media, TV or other punditry. Why is there no development plan to take these talents and recycle, in the nicest possible way, their experience into schools and rugby development, not the elite school rubbish, but helping to rekindle the passion for rugby at an early age.

Sadly rugby has followed the same path as football. Players spend too much time writing columns, TV appearances, believing their own marketing hype and not focusing on what got them here, the game of rugby.

Draw parrallels with business, M&S were having a torrid time 2 years ago, so they did what?

Strip out layers of people adding no value, put money back to the coal face, focus on customers, return to what made them great initially, keep things simple, common and shared goals for all M&S employees and develop a plan for moving forward - to coin a phrase "it ain't rocket science", its all about taking control and bringing your audience along with you.

Time to get both business acumen as well as techincal expertise back into the process.

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comment by CaptSue (U6461613)

posted Nov 30, 2006

I think Johnno should be used a mentor for the time being. Dean Richards would be a good choice but will he really want it as he has quite a challenge a Quinns. I wouldn't want to see Rob Andrew running the side either as he really didn't do much with Newcastle except whinge and moan. The problem with this position now is that it will be seen as a poison challice and no-one will want to put their hand up. I do hope we have a coach/manager inplace before the six nations
but lets have a character that can take the game forward and not backwards and who can motivate his players positively and not bow down to media pressure when Dallaglio's name is mentioned.

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