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Basso Move to Dicovery Done?

by superbigdave9 (U6548571) 08 November 2006
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Cycling weekly is saying that Ivan Basso has signed for Discovery Channel for next season. Do you believe this and if it's true do you think it's a good move for Basso/Discovery?

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posted Nov 10, 2006

Wonder if it will be in ProCycling next month - that's the one that I read. cycling weekly is too expensive.

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comment by mimifur (U6247832)

posted Nov 10, 2006

Basso's legal problems are by no means nearly done. The OP court case is due to happen next June and although the Tour organisers can invite anyone they want, surely they won't wait that long to make decisions and anyway, must realise that the Tour is better off without tainted riders.

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posted Nov 10, 2006

I'm not sure what his legal problems are but I don't think Discovery would sign Basso unless they had a pretty good idea what the evidence against him is. Bruyneel said the team exercised due diligence before signing Basso, discussing his situation with French, Italian and Spanish "experts". I don't know what they told DSC but it probably wasn't too discouraging. DSC signed Basso and have given him the go-ahead to try a Giro-Tour double.

As far as the tour organisers are concerned, they tried to bar Liberty Seguros from taking the start this year, if I'm not mistaken. The decision was overturned by the CAS, was it not?. Maybe Bruyneel feels without solid evidence the ASO will not be able to bar them either.

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comment by mimifur (U6247832)

posted Nov 10, 2006

As far as I'm aware, it's not a case of the Tour organisers banning or not banning any particular team. They are outside the ProTour and participation in the race is by invitation only, so a team not invited has no right to entry. Correct me, do, if I'm wrong.

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posted Nov 10, 2006

No, I think the PT teams are guaranteed a spot, which means Discovery and Astana are already "invited", so to speak. The problem they may have is with a certain rule which allows the organisers to bar teams and/or riders "whose presence is susceptible of blemishing the image of cycling, of the organiser or of the race". As far as I recall, the ASO was not able to convince the CAS the accusations against Liberty Seguros (now Astana) posed a risk to their reputation as organisers, or the event per se.

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comment by Jon (U1533436)

posted Nov 11, 2006

No I think mimifur is right the Grand Tours aren't a part of the Pro Tour and tour boss Christian Prudhomme has said "the right to admission will be based on team's ethical standards" Prudhomme effectively wants 20 wild cards whilst the UCI wants the Pro Tour teams to be guaranteed an invite, so I think it is still under discussion, but currently is in the GTs favour

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posted Nov 11, 2006

dj, I understand there is talk about changing the policy but if the race were held today would the PT teams be assured a spot or would their participation be based on the discretion of the organisers? I am under the impression the PT teams have an "in" to the event. If I'm not mistaken, Tour rules regarding participation still reference UCI regulations. I can appreciate that Prudhomme and Co. may want to do things differently, but as it stands now are they really in a position to do so?

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comment by mimifur (U6247832)

posted Nov 13, 2006

input: i think dj and i are correct and that the GTs are outside the ProTour and the organisers have the right to pick and choose. I don't think in 07 of all years, that they'll countenance any team that is not signed up to a drug-free policy. Check out Cycle Sport for up-to-date info on all Tour and ProTour stuff.

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posted Nov 13, 2006

Mimi, I agree the GTs are outside the Pro Tour but does it necessarily follow from that that participation in these events is by invitation only? Consider the following: Article 1 (Tour participation, TdF 2006) references UCI regulation 2.15.127 which states, "The UCI ProTeam must take part with a competitive team in each of the UCI Pro Tour events". Based on this rule, participation by PT teams is compulsory, is it not? They are "guaranteed" a spot. The issue here, I think, is not whether the TdF is a part of the Pro Tour, it is a question of the rules governing participation in the event. Is there a rule you can point to which states that the Tour organisers can arbitrarily pick and choose the participants?

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posted Nov 14, 2006

Never mind....we're probably both incorrect.

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