posted Nov 8, 2006

I keep seeing the comments about Paisley and Clough winning more than Ferguson's 2. People are forgetting Fergie actually has won 4 (CWC, Aberdeen & ManU, ECL ManU and Super Cup ManU).
Many people also fail to remember that for the first 6/7 years Ferguson had the " 3 foreigners" rule to contend with which probably robbed the earlier ManU side (93-96)of much greater success in the ECL. How many of Paisley's side would have fallen foul of the "3 foreigners" rule? I guess most of that side would have been classed as foreign, as there were more than a few Irish and Scotts in the team.

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posted Nov 8, 2006

Surely the greatest Manager of all time must be Bill Nicholson who took over Tottenham Hotspur from the brink of relegation in 1958 to trail blazing and historical wins including the League/Cup Double in 1961 and the European Cup W Cup in 1963 plus a semi-final place in the European Cup in 1962. Ten years later he was still doing it when Tottenham became the first British winners of the the newly constituted UEFA cup in 1972 and followed it with a semifinal place in 1973 and a runner-up position in 1974 !. He was surely the most dedicated manager in the history of English football sacrificing his life to Tottenham Hotspur. During his regime Spurs became the most fluent attacking side in English Football and perhaps Europe - with every game treated as a cup tie - a legacy that persisted till the mid eighties and is showing signs of revival today.

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posted Nov 8, 2006

What about Don Revie Leeds were the team of the 70's

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posted Nov 8, 2006

To win what he has done and been at the biggest football club in the world for 20years in today game its amazing, it was a lot easier to manage teams 30+ years,
pasily, stein, shankley, sir matt busby were great managers, but could they do it in todays game, sadly we will never know,
and you have to remember what sir Alex done with st Mirren, and Aberdeen, and taking over as scotland boss under differcult times.
Sir Alex is the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be.
daz

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posted Nov 8, 2006

Anotherflaminred can't hide Ferguson's relative lack of success in Europe behind his domestic success.

Equally, his(?) view that Ferguson strived to produce attractive football is just that, a subjective view - it may be worth looking at the 'goals for' figures to see what the evidence says - and to consider the impact rule changes have had - three points for a win, the back pass and goalkeeper's steps rules ...

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that success can only be measured in trophies.

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posted Nov 8, 2006

I'm surprised that Bill Struth of Rangers hasn't at least made the shortlist. Manager for 34 years from 1920-54, he established, like Busby and Shankly at their clubs, a dynasty and a sense that it was 'special' to play for Rangers. The Old Firm dominance of Scotland that we now take for granted was cemented under Struth.
It was pre-European days, so he can't be compared to Stein or Paisley in that sense, but 18 league titles is not to be sniffed at. It would have been more but for WWII.

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posted Nov 8, 2006

I keep seeing the comments about Paisley and Clough winning more than Ferguson's 2. People are forgetting Fergie actually has won 4 (CWC, Aberdeen & ManU, ECL ManU and Super Cup ManU).
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Well for starters the Super cup is a glorified friendly, you might as well count the Charity Shield as a major trophy.
Secondly winning the Cup winners cup is a decent achievement (especially with Aberdeen) but its still nowhere near the level of the European Cup/Champions league.

If you want to count those other trophies though Fergie still loses out to Paisley who won the Euro cup 3 times, UEFA cup once and the super cup once.
And again, that was in 9 years not the 25/30 that its taken Fergie

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posted Nov 8, 2006

No one can deny Bob Paisley's Acheivements, but when you compare what Paisley had to start with....A world beating team and club structure built by The great Bill Shankly and then contrast that to what ferguson had to work with when he took over from Big Ron Atkinson. Bob paisley just perpetuated Shankley, Sir Alex's Legacy is all down to himself. Thats why Sir Alex is the all time great for me.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

shev -good shout

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posted Jun 3, 2007

sir alex ferguson is the best manager in british football.

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