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UK GRIME KILLING UK HIPHOP?

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Message 1 - posted by jusmyopinion (U6615971) , Mar 9, 2008

hey fellow hip-hoppers, over the past year an half or so we seen a total new wave of the grime/teen garage era come in to the race of musical talant from the uk.
I've been seeing all the new-age kids coming out with "bars" and getting them onto any tracks they can, and because of the likes of dizzie and kano its got massive in the uk to have that kind of flow which has here-fore become the grime scene we see today but nowadays, it seems like the older real uk hiphop/rappers jus feeling uncomfterble flowing the way the do!

what i'm saying is i think real u.k "rapping" is gonna fade or morph away.
do you think it's safe, do you think u.k rap or even u.s rap is still gonna be the inthing for peeps to play on their phones and at parties because to me it's jus not happening and most of the u.k rapper dont seem like they gonna be releasing and new material because of the peer pressure from mates to "up their speed"

jusmyopinion!
GIVE YOURS!
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Message 2 - posted by bailey_187 (U2885364) , Mar 9, 2008

The thing is tho kanos last album was hip hop.
much of dizzees last album was hip hop.

plus many other MCs within grime fill up there mix CDs or albums with...hip hop.
e.g. scorcher, ghetto,Bashy, redrum, black the ripper. most the time grime MCs doing hip hop turns out poor.
How many UKHH MCs fill up there CDs with Grime beats? not many, alie
skinnyman was ment to do a grime mix cd but have heard nothing about it since about September last year, so i doubt he will do it.
Altough UKHH was about before grime i think people trying to make grime ukhh is killing grime. so solid failed when they released that poor atempt at hip hop album. More Fire crew failed when they made a hip hop album (havnt heard it but i'd imagine it to be swag)

"over the past year an half or so we seen a total new wave of the grime/teen garage era come in to the race of musical talant from the uk."

not true realy is it.
That statement would have been true in 2003/4.

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Message 3 - posted by Bleezie Febréro (U934695) , Mar 9, 2008

Imo Grime = UKHH. It's like in the US where you've got crunk which sounds totally different from say that traditional NY sound but in the end it's all still hip hop and I think you're always gonna get people over here who rhyme like Jehst and people who rhyme like Ghetto. The real problem for the UK scene imo is there doesn't seem to be enough artists who are developing their own style. That's why I think Dizzee Rascal and Roots Manuva stand out from the crowd. I think they're both perfect examples of artists who don't follow either the grime or traditional path.

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Message 4 - posted by compulsive liar - &!&*(^% (U4500034) , Mar 9, 2008

grime emcees "doin hiphop" is the worst, they all try an get deep blad innit an make a song about the troubles of life in the ghetto with a beat that uses a sped up soul sample.

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Message 5 - posted by bailey_187 (U2885364) , Mar 9, 2008

^^agreed.

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Message 7 - posted by BluntWun (U9223356) , Mar 10, 2008

Whats wrong with talkin about deep issues?! ur sayin that cos theyre grimey rappers they dont have any deep shizzle in their life and they cant get profound? Get outta here. Ur just reinforcing the sterotype that rap has to be about shotting, murder or gash..
Look at Pac or Prodigy, they're both guys with grimey content that knew how to make you think deep at the same time.

I do agree however that a lot of grime emcees do infact do hip hop a lotta the time. My ansa to that is, why not? it's not like theyre contracted to make a certain style of music.

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Message 8 - posted by HermitCrabAceHomeAloner (U5075038) , Mar 10, 2008

put it this way its very easy to mask really bad lyrics by rapping really fast and unclearly

drum and bass emcees used to do it all the time


bada bada ba bada bada ba bababa babbaa ba- bada bada ba

(not even words lol ^^)


most (not all) BUT MOST grime emcees haven't got the quality of lyrics to spit them slow and legibally cos you can tell how bad their command of the english language is when they do so

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Message 9 - posted by compulsive liar - &!&*(^% (U4500034) , Mar 10, 2008

you seemed to completely miss the point bluntwun. wot i dislike is that every time a grime emcee changes his style it always comes off the same and sounds awfull. nowt wrong with deep lyrics. what is wrong is bad emcees (regardless of style) offering shallow views on deep and overused subjects.

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Message 10 - posted by HermitCrabAceHomeAloner (U5075038) , Mar 10, 2008

MC's that rhyme a word with itself need shooting

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Message 11 - posted by bailey_187 (U2885364) , Mar 10, 2008

rhyming the same word stopped being used by most MCs a few years ago uno
lots of people hear the last word be the same and think "oh there ish they rhyme the same word"
look at the word before the word at the end of the bar.
e.g.
Little man thinks hes on cloud 9, reality check let me ground him again/
and Williams like peter pertrelli so i dont wana around him again/
(you wont understand those bars unless u follow the grime scene and watch heroes)

the only grime MC who i think could hold it up in UKHH is durrty goodz.
maybe ghetto but his flows sounds swag when its slow.

the same way tho, skinnyman sounded swag when he went on logans show and im sure if kashmere or some1 turned up at rinse FM and tried to spit on the set he'd sound swag.

some of u think grime is stilll how it was in 2004 tho. its not.

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Message 12 - posted by HermitCrabAceHomeAloner (U5075038) , Mar 10, 2008

""lots of people hear the last word be the same and think "oh there ish they rhyme the same word"
look at the word before the word at the end of the bar.
e.g.
Little man thinks hes on cloud 9, reality check let me ground him again/
and Williams like peter pertrelli so i dont wana around him again/"""


thats exactly what i'm talking about though

ryhming a word with itself- just cos other words in the sentence ryhme- it doesn't make it excusable- its just plain lazy IMO

here's ahow it should be done- with alot of words ryhming -- and definetly not ending sentences with the same word..


"Nothing says "charm" like an armored car
Taking the clone-farm 'tards to the arms bazaar
We were the homemade marker makers born to pour the marsh ink into right guard parts
And march through the gauntlet of car alarms"

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Message 13 - posted by bailey_187 (U2885364) , Mar 10, 2008

but its different scene.
yes if that was spat of a ant beat it would be stupid and lazy but the beat its spat on is up tempo and has a 4/4 drum pattern.
ghetto does have multis (if thats what there called?) where he dosnt end in the same word. its feature of grime to have the same word at the end. wether you dont like that is your opinion but its not the fact that Ghetto (the MC i quoted) cant find other words.

u use suspect packages alie?

on the front page Ghettos new CD is on there
suspectpackages.com/
it came out today
i honestly think you will be impressed and see not every grime MC is like Napper spitting "you wasteman" on channel u. Ghetto does and can use multis.

heres some of the tunes from it that people have uploaded to youtube becuase the SP clips arnt very good IMO.
www.youtube.com/watc...
www.youtube.com/watc...
www.youtube.com/watc... - for a couple of the first bars i swear nearly every word rhymes lol.
www.youtube.com/watc...

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Message 14 - posted by HermitCrabAceHomeAloner (U5075038) , Mar 10, 2008

got to admit thats not that bad- except i don'tknow if its the accent- but he and so many others including dizzee sound like quacking ducks- i couldn't listen to a whole album--

if i want really fast rap with limited subject variety but delivered with (my opinion) way more skill- i'm still more likely to go down this route

www.youtube.com/watc...

www.youtube.com/watc...

www.youtube.com/watc...

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Message 15 - posted by rufian (U867155) , Mar 10, 2008

I'm still not really into much of the grime stuff, but one track I did like was after Bailey was banging on about Durrty Goodz, I got the Axiom EP and found this on it

www.youtube.com/watc...


But like Erry if I was going to go for something like this but better (again my opinion) I'd go for something off Busdriver's RoadKillOvercoat

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Message 16 - posted by HermitCrabAceHomeAloner (U5075038) , Mar 11, 2008

yeh roadkillovercoat is good!!

you ever heard his album- 'Memoirs of the elephant man'- its a good un

www.amazon.com/Memoi...

www.sandboxautomatic...



in fact all his stuff is tight

he is definetly the most skilled MC i've ever heard- for sheer insanity and the way he can bend and stretch his words and verses like elastic

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Message 17 - posted by HermitCrabAceHomeAloner (U5075038) , Mar 11, 2008

'Memoirs of the elephant man' is his most crazy and 'sonic' album imo!!!

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Message 18 - posted by < Jj >>> (U1513023) , Mar 11, 2008

lol comparing goodz to busdriver....

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Message 19 - posted by < Jj >>> (U1513023) , Mar 11, 2008

"put it this way its very easy to mask really bad lyrics by rapping really fast and unclearly

drum and bass emcees used to do it all the time"

of course. but you think very one dimensionally...your definition of "bad" and "good" lyrics comes from your own personal taste in backpacky/leftfield hip hop music...and you don't seem to be able to fairly judge any lyrics outside of that...the same standards that you lot use to judge lyrics obviously aren't going to be the same as a drum and bass or grime artist...imagine a drum and bass mc going on some random cryptic political rant a la sage francis etc...do you think that would get people hyped? nah...different music for different purposes...you need to realise this...

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Message 20 - posted by HermitCrabAceHomeAloner (U5075038) , Mar 11, 2008

but didn't i just compare the garage lyrics/ stlye to Bone thugz?!

hardly leftfield/ backpack is it!?

my point was just that its possible to rap quickly without sounding like a quacking duck, ie. bone thugz

and that it was possible to rap quickly whilst still maintaining a technical/ layered subject matter and flow/style and not falling back on the old lazy cliche' of rhyming words with themselves. ie. Busdriver, Aesop rock

just cos i don't rate The Game -- doesn't mean i don't listen to all 'styles' of rap! <doh> although you'd never miss an opportunity to bring sage francis into this again- for someone that doesn't rate him-- you certainly talk about him alot!! ;-)

and if u read back my first reply to his youtube posts i did say that 'ghetto' wasn't as bad i expected it to be- but it also comprised alot of the 'qualitys' and also lack of qualities i anticipated also...

-- put briefly - i aint one dimensional in any aspect of my life.. and am also open to others opinions and reccomendations--

thought you knew better pipsqueek! <doh>

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