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Windermere

10mph limit makes waves on Windermere

Has the speed limit signalled the end of tourism for the lakes ... or is it a new beginning?

Facts

The Lake District National Park Authority (LDNPA) says rangers will be on duty from 29 March.

A 10mph limit for boats is already in force on Coniston

Speedboats have come to Windermere for 34 years to try to set new water speed records for their class. The current record on Windermere is 154mph.

Campaigners against the 10mph limit attached boats to their cars and drove at the same speed through the streets of Kendal during December 2003

More than 4,000 protesters took part in a rally against the speed limit in August 2000

The four busiest areas of Windermere already have a 6mph limit.

The speed limit has been put in place following a 13 year debate, including a three month public inquiry.

In 2002, almost 500 warnings about speeding were issued by the Lake Patrol Team, and in 2001 there were 638.

More of your comments

Guy M
For most of the 1980's and into the early 90's I spent the majority of my weekends on Windemere during the boating season skiing, windsurfing and sailing. The 80's were a busy time on the lake and I do remeber vividly several horrific incidents involing power boats and other lake users, including a young woman who had her arm severed by a 'Sunday Afternoon' speed merchant. That said the vast majority of skiers even then were very careful and considerate of other users and we quite happily sailed and skied. But how British to let the whole speed limit, power boat, jet ski free- for- all continue unchecked until the Lakes Authority (or who ever they are) just threw all their toys out of the pram and took their ball home. I never really understood why nobody got a grip of it years ago. If avid skiers are trully serious about their sport then surely they would welocme proper regulation. The LowWood used to run a great ski club, why not issue a handful of licences (perhaps to the companies or people worst hit by the current ban) for properly run and regulated water ski clubs at variious points around the lake. The clubs would have a predeterminded membership threshold to limit numbers and members would have to make proper use of the facilities to retain their membership. You would have to belong to a Windemere Water Ski Club to ski on the lake (a relatively easy thing to police) and you would have to take a proper and rigorous driving test, akin to a road driving test, to be allowed behind the wheel. Let the jet ski boys go and frighten the donkeys at Blackpool, but give the sportsmen a chance to prove that they're serious about getting serious about their sport. The cowboys will soon find pastures new when it ain't so easy.

Gaz B
The point was made by the inspector that there where raised noise levels on Windermere caused by Powered Craft, but that these noise levels were not excessive. The noise from traffic has far more of an impact. The inspector also made the point that if the numbers of craft on Windermere were vastly reduced, ‘apparently not the aim of the LDNPA’ and without the impact of the traffic the level would on average be lowered by 6db bringing it into line with Coniston, Derwent Water and Ulswater. Why when there are countless other quite places in the Lake District does the natural balance of access need to be destroyed. If you want total Tranquillity go to other areas it’s that simple. On Windermere adopt a managed solution to reduce the noise from all types of watercraft as much as possible. This whole issue is totally misrepresented, A Jet-Ski can be noisy were as a modern ski-boat can be almost silence, but an old fishing boat with an wornout 5hp 2 stroke travelling at 8mph can be nosier then them both put together. The Bans a non-sense………..

Anonymous
From The Public Enquiry "Thus, in my judgment, noise reduction is not in itself one of the main justifications for the specific proposed remedy of the speed limit" Phil Dyer do your research and please open your eyes to whats going on in the Lake District !!!

L. Barker
Whats this nonsense about noise & speed boats - Lake Windermere is ringed with roads & from any point by or on the lake you hear constant traffic noise, 24x7 as they say now. Other lakes are pretty quiet because they are not circled by roads and the urban / suburban developments enjoyed by Windermere. The enquiry process did not identify noise as an issue, nor wash or erosion. Face the fact, if you want peace & tranquility would one go to Bowness or Ambleside, you must be joking. Please understand that the ban is due to a political agenda for the purposes of self aggrandisment by a non-accountable authority. The real issue is that if the lakes become a World Heritage Site what happens then - LDNPA please explain & will the last person out lock the gate.

Marc Richards
As someone who has lived in the Lakes and visits regularly it has always seemed sensible to keep Windermere as afacility for faster craft. It is in my opinion the most commercial area in the Lakes and isnt the philosophy of National Parks to strike a balance between conservation and maintaining an economy in an area. As a walker I base myself around Keswick and do not feel that allowing speedcradt on Windermere has a negative effect upon the area. The important thing is that visitors respect the area and learn to share its beauty.

David Dereham
Phil: How many more times? This was never about noise. The inspectors found NO noise problem whatsoever. Another biased ill-informed comment from an outsider.

Graeme Jamieson
Why must there be people in this world who have nothing better to do than complain. If these wish to enjoy the peace and tranquility they appear to be trying to find why don't they go and walk to the top of a mountain, I hear that there are several in the area. The lakes are not for the minority they are for averyone and should be shared in this manner. Why don't you people who want to effectively ban the wakeboarders and waterskiers give it a go they might even like it.

Andy Goulden
Response to Phil Dyer: Surely there is plenty of room in the other 99% of the Lake District for people to escape noise! Surely we need tolerance, otherwise minorities will be legislated out of everything they want to do. "Live and let live"

Phil Dyer
I am totally in favour of the speed limit. We don't go to the Lake District to listen to the noise of fast boats - we go to escape noise. In the same way that smokers have had to finally acknowledge that their habits are socially unacceptable to others having to breathe their smoke, so should noise polluters in the Lake District acknowledge that noise is a form of pollution that people should not have to put up with. Let them take their fast boats somewhere where they will not cause offence.

Mick Lockwood
With respect to comments by Anon E Mouse, you just don’t get it do you ? I Wakeboard and on average travel a 22 mph, its nothing, I have no desire to go any faster, we just want to practice our skilful, demanding, athletic sport in the environment we have loved and respected for decades. A 30mph limit with a sensible management plan would end this conflict. Many people talk of peace and tranquillity, how can we ever have this in the Lake District when there is prejudice. Do you really believe there are masses of people waiting in the wings to fill the void left both culturally and commercially. There has never been conflict between user groups its an invention of the LDNPA. And as for Shepard’s maybe they should diversify into topiary or aircraft engineering!

Fran Clarke
... as per the law of unintended results the boat yards are busy replacing all the small boats with mega yachts & cruisers - witness the massive encroachment in Bowness bay this year and the extensions at the marina at Ferry Nab. I'm afraid that rather than lots of little dinghies & canoes you will see a big increase in these glossy mega yachts clogging up the lake. As is typical with governance these days the results will end up the opposite of what was intended !

Dave Burns
"Anon E Mouse”! More like Mickey Mouse, the only influx on Windermere at the moment is empty berths and moorings. Why don’t you enlighten us as to which "varied water sports" you are referring to, I'm assuming they must be sub aqua as there’s nothing moving on the surface.

Anon E Mouse
It will be a shame if the present management of Shepards can not adapt to the 10 mph limit. I see that some other boatyards are thriving with the new oppurtunities. Of coarse there will be a transition period, maybe 2-3 years before tourism re-aligns with the new requirements of a more demanding sport than those required to "drive" a speedboat. I have spoken to many representatives of varied watersports. There will be a massive influx of clubs and associations wanting to return to Windermere now that the speed merchants have gone.

Chris
At midnight on the 28th March on a calm and clear Lake we dropped our speed to comply with the new regulations. It was the end of over 30 years of motor boating on the Lake for me and a sad evening for my two children who both loved water sports. Whilst ... I have always made a point of buying fuel, provisions, and even boats in the Windermere area as I believe in supporting the local economy. As a result of this ban we have moved our boat to North Wales where we have been made more than welcome. Here I have the same policy, of supporting the local economy and so far this year I have spent over £50,000 (including a new boat). I am very sorry that this money did not go into the local economy of Windermere, but we are no longer welcome there. It is also very interesting to note that on our jetty in Wales there are at least half a dozen other refugees from Windermere. Just how badly has this ban affected local businesses in Windermere? (Chris - please would you email cumbria@bbc.co.uk so we can get in contact with you directly. BBC Radio Cumbria would like to speak to you about your 'relocation' to Wales. Thanks, website team)

J Hope
Mrs Wilkie, do you realise that lake windermere takes up 1%, yes 1% of the WHOLE Lake district? That means you have 99% of the lakes to "enjoy the peace and quiet" and have a "place of tranquility." Your comments are not thought through and plain selfish.

Mark C
In responce to Angela Wilkie: Have you ever heard a modern ski boat, they really are so quite. When I used to sit on the bank at Low Wood I could never hear a boat for the sound of the traffic, This has never been about noise, the public enquiry found NO problem with noise, the grounds for this ban are conflict, conflict vastly exaggerated and quietly fuelled by the LDNPA and the FLD. If you want silence there are a million and one places in the lake district it can be found but it will never be at Windermere, that is unless the FLD manage to alienate everybody from the area and put a fence up. This issue is about misplaced power, deluded prejudice and idealism at the cost of people’s right to access and it’s disgraceful. I’m sitting here thinking I need a new pair of trainers and a jacket, last year I’d of hooked up the boat popped up to the lakes, had some family fun and exercise made a day of it invited some friends who in turn would have thought lets get the bikes out, and invited others along. I’d of gone shopping, bought petrol, no doubt got suckered into buying something unnecessary for my boat, meals, booze, ice cream and so on. With ten to fifteen people blowing the best part of a grand and a half and that’s just one person’s boat on one day. But Hay, now were not welcome in our own backyard because were Bad People. The lake district is for Quite People, If you have any Passion or Fire or Life in you its not the place to visit. This is the message that’s being heard by everybody not just people with boats. Reap what you Sow!!!!!

Vast Majority
Oh Dear Angela! Another one line ill thought-out no bases in argument statement, did you read that in some LDNPA literature. There are 20 something other lakes in the “Lake” District were people can "escape to tranquility" why must Windermere become another one. Serious walkers and tranquillity seekers have never come to Windermere; the vast majority of the shoreline is in private ownership with public access limited to less than a 10th of the lake shore so walking is extremely limited. And Bowness is like Blackpool without the tower, hardly a tranquil location

Angela Wilkie
It is the best thing for Windermere. The lakes should be a place that people can enjoy peace and quiet. There is noise everywhere these days, people need a place to escape. A place of tranquillity.

paul elliott
this sort of unjust unfair legislation only seems to happen in this countrywhat can mere mortals do to fight this sort of tyranny ?

Ken
Disgusted. I have been wakeboarding on Windermere for two seasons, predominantly early in the morning and late in the evening on wind still days when there are few other lake users. Like many of your other respondents to this website, my contribution to the economy (equipment, lessons, meals, drinks, parking) in 2003 and 2004 ran into several thousand pounds. This has now been lost from the local economy and I am averse to spending money in the region for any other reason because powered watersports are no longer welcome.

Jason Cooper
This is pretty tragic event and a very poor decision from a non -elected and self styled group - the LNPA. I have lived in Windermere all my life and enjoyed regular boating for the last 30 years - sailing, powerboating, canoeing and waterskiing. I have never seen any of the conflict that apparently exists from any angle. These pressue groups really must take a balanced view of the changes that are going on in the world around them. I worked in tourism in Windermere for 13 years and have seen the industry develop to suit changing lifestyles: The vast majority of people generally have more money but less time to spend on leisure this is especially true of families. The average 17 foot sportsboat was an absolutely ideal boat for this majority: From these types of craft anyone can enjoy their leisure time be it fishing, quiet picnicing, enjoy the thrill of 30mph or,of course try out and enjoy a variety of healthy and exciting watersports. Additionally this form of boating appealed to many - the boat could be hitched up behind the family size car and launched safely and easily. The driving of the boat is simple, easy to learn turn-key stuff and is incredilby safe. Because of the ridiculous decision to ban boaters from Windermere thousands of people and families will never enjoy this part of our country again. They may not have the facilities to own a yacht or do not want to put their families under the extra risk that dinghy sailing or canoeing presents. These people, the income they generate and most importantly the enjoyment that they gained have been lost. This is a tragic way to deny people from all walks of life their right to enjoy leisure time. I took my sailing dinghy out last bank holiday Sunday on a glorious sunny day and am still haunted by the images of an empty Windermere - not a 'tranquil jewel in the crown' but a sad and lonely place where many people have been forced to leave rather than be branded as criminals. The government or somebody MUST intervene and allow us all the opportunity to relieve a bit of the stresses of modern life.

Paul B
The ban is a disgrace and totaly unacceptable. I don't feel welcome in the Lakes anymore. We as a family have spent thousands of pounds in the Lakes over the past twenty years, (only the last two boating), camping, B&B's, walking, biking, buying all our hiking gear in Ambleside. But not now, we won't be spending another penny there. We'll stil visit to tramp and ride over the fells causing far more damage than my 14foot speedboat could ever do, but all my money will be spent in my local town away from Cumbria.

Gaz B
I’m at a total lose end at the moment, I really don’t know what to do with myself now that my sport has been taken. For years my life has revolved around Windermere and now I’ve been branded as some sort of anti social lout. I’ve been discriminated against, I have such a passion for the Lakes but even the thought of going back there makes me feel ill. How have a small un-elected body been allowed to do this ??? I have recently been speaking to a friend of mine who owns a small business in Bowness. He tells me that visitor numbers are massively down and that the whole sprit of the lake has changed. Its lifeless and more like a mortuary then a thriving buzzing tourist trap. I live in Preston and the youth of today, the very heart of Cumbria’s tourist trade for tomorrow are all of the impression that the lake district no longer welcomes anybody who doesn’t vote for the Green Party. I hope the LDNPA and the FLD reap what they have sown; It’s a shame it has to be at the expensive of the local people.

Motor Boater and Skier
My family have been water skiing , boating and walking in the Lake District for over 60 years . My father in law learned to Ski on Ullswater and proudly represented his country - he was still skiing until last year aged 82 . We have introduced the sport to many others - some have gone on to ski recreationally and one competitively . I have a Motor Cruiser on the lake - and last year spent c£15k in the areas marinas,chandlers,hotels ,supermarkets & restaurants ; I know a good many more people who do the same and indeed more . I run a major business in the north west which has as one of its core principles - listen to customers and staff - we do - the LDNPA could learn a thing or two from business. How can it be right in todays so called democratic society that an unelected group of people can ignore their views, history , the health needs of the nation , effects on the economy and needs of youngsters ,when arriving at a decision which affects so many . If this isnt enough have the LDNPA witnessed how quiet it is around the lake since the ban - Cumbria Tourist Board have ! . What are these people doing to this place - this lake has lost its spirit - but we will NEVER give up until justice is done - there WILL be a managed solution - DO NOT UNDERSTIMATE THE STRENGTH OF FEELING .

Vast Majority
This site is a fair representation of peoples view on the ban and it’s quite clear that the vast majority of people are against it. It’s also fairly evident that the rational well thought out arguments are from the no lobby and the selfish economically unviable arguments are from the ban it brigade. Anyone with a grain of intelligence can see that this has been a bad decision that’s going to cost the area a fortune in lost revenue. It’s also robbed a lot of people of a healthy family orientated sport and massively devalued every sports boat the length and breadth of the land. The most annoying thing is that the sensible masses have no power to rid themselves of the lunatics who thought it up in the first place as they are an unelected dictatorship.

Nick-S
The effects of this ban are much more wide ranging that even the National Park could have imagined. Look through the pages of any boating mag and the market is saturated with second-hand sports and ski boats. Lots of people all across the country, some who have never ever been in the Lakes suddenly find they have lost thousands on their boat. The Government needs to take some serious action NOW and put a stop on the LDNPA's actions!

Unloved Skier
I've saved a small fortune this past two months since I've not been welcome in the Lakes. Unfortunately my gain is Cumbria's loss and I think they needed it more than me

Andy Goulden
The ban is a vicious victimisation of a harmless minority, who have pursued their chosen sport in harmony with other lake users for many years. The perpetrators of this act are the Renault Cleo owning anorak brigade, who spend an hour nursing half a shandy thinking they own the national park. Well now I've had my say I'm off to Anglesey to spend the £3K per year I used to spend in the Windermere area. I hope you reap what you sow! No handouts from the Taxpayer.

Teresa degroot
I have visited the Lakes for over 25years and enjoy the beautiful scenery and peace and quiet. Lets keep it that way. Spped boats are for the seaside.Not the lakes

Mick Lockwood
You may as well face it my friend 10mph/Kph/Nuatical, it makes no odds, and you’re just not welcome in the Lake District. Mr. Brodie I’m still waiting for your explanation of your ‘Nasty Speed Boat’ comment. And I’d also like to know your reaction to last weeks comments by local retailers and hoteliers who claim that the impact of the 10mph is the same as that of Foot and Mouth. It’s a good step in the right direction to see that Records Week has thankfully been saved and is to be held on Coniston. The main significance of this is that the LDNPA have for the first time listened to local people rather then the extreme views of the FOLD. Who claim that this world class advent will damage the enjoyment of the lakes autumn colors? I wonder if the LDNPA’s shift is anything to do with recent criticisms of there lack of leadership. We can only hope that after the true impact of the ban is felt this year, both financially and culturally they again listen to the majority of views and adopt a managed solution and abandon this discrimination and exclusion.

dave
Re the windermere 10mph ban. I haven't been to windermere for 2-3 weeks, isn't it quiet?? few tourists, few people on the lake, fewer hotel bookings from what i gather, fewer businesses, i see Sheperds boat yard has just about closed, others will follow no doubt, I thought businesses were supposed to be, what did they call it, oh yes adapting!! Presumably the work force at Sheperds couldn't adapt to sewing or gardening or hill path polishing!!! When will these people realise that it is a national park, now i'll say that again for those idiots who didn't listen to the outcry of objections to the 10 mph, NATIONAL PARK!! that is for the use of everyone, i'll say that again EVERYONE!!! not just the few that have big posh houses on lake Windermere. This is the countryside and people live and work in the countryside, they do all sorts of jobs, most in Windermere and Bowness rely on tourists, a lot of which bring boats on their holidays and use the lake for all sorts of activities, but obviously nobody cares if businesses and jobs are lost in droves!! It occurs to me that if we want the National Park to be as it was in the twenties we should compulsory purchase all lakeside properties that were built after this time, demolish them and return the land back to the sheep, cows, deer and farmers to who it really belongs, then it would be really quiet and peaceful. What a wonderful idea, NOT!! we live in 2005 we're more sensible than that arn't we, errrr well no obviously not!!!

d.b.jeffrey
In my view and many others like myself think that the Windermere 10mph speed limit was and is totally unnecessary. The boat users on this lake have always looked after each others welfare, and it is a very select few that treat the water and other users badly. I have been a fisherman on the lake for years, but find that now this will have to be my last. As a working man I fish Windermere after work, usually arriving at Windermere Marina Village at about 6pm, most of my fishing is done at the top of the lake, i.e. mouth of river Rothay, by the time I get there now it will be almost time to come back again. Consequently my boat is now going to have to be sold, and I was presumably one of the people the 10mph was to help, mine was a sport that neither bothered nor hindered anyone, It was a quiet and peaceful pastime, but obviously this made no difference when I wrote to the governing body and received no reply. My boat is capable of 27mph, and at that speed gives very little wash, at 10mph the wash will be much, much more than at 10mph, do these people really understand the dynamics of boats at slow and fast speeds, it is my opinion that they don’t, or don’t care. D.B.Jeffrey (Kendal)

andy simpson
Dear Sir I have sent the following to the national parks authority and would elcom any comments from the public What is the speed limit I have a query regarding Windermere bylaw 11.3 Is the law what it says or what it was supposed to say . The limit is currently being promoted as being 10 nautical miles per hour The problem is that the actual bylaw states that the speed limit is 10 miles per hour (16.093)kilometres per hour) This could be transposed to read 18.52 kilometres per hour (16.093)kilometres per hour) or 10 nautical miles per hour (8.69)nautical miles per hour) This clearly is not 10 nautical miles per hour (18.52)kilometres per hour as is currently being promoted. So how fast is this we need to know as any prosecution would be based on proving this speed had been exceeded.

Sea Skier
Over the years I have skied on both Windermere and the sea, Morecambe Bay and off the west side of Walney Isle.Surely with all that water out there, some of you could manage to use it without running aground, or have you not noticed the tide goes out. 'We' who use the bay have charts which show where not to go. As to the speed limit, it was bound to happen at some time. There were too many boats causing problems to other users of the lake. There are speed limits on the sea and have been for many years, we have learned to live with them. Maybe if some of the less considerate power boat owners had slowed down when passing other smaller craft and dinghies, you could still have been using the lake.

Philip Simms
I see that folowing the 10mph limit on Windermere that "Speed Week" is to be transfered to Coniston. If speeds of 100 mph are legal on Coniston I expect that it will be legal to waterski there too! If not why not? One law for the rich and another....?

Sick Skier
I too have ventured out in the estuary recently after 20 years of boating on Windermere the fast flowing tidal waters came as a bit of a shock as did the pallets window frames and various other debris. The chronic sickness and diarrhea suffered by myself and all my crew over the following days was another unexpected shock. The first death at sea due to the Windermere Ban isn’t a question of if; it’s simply a question of when.

PM
Followed the links to find out that the best water skier in the world is a guy called Andy Mapple who is well known all over the world but not in the UK? It seems he grew up skiing on the northern lakes not any more,just shows you what a nation of losers we now are.I feel for the kids those powerful selfish people will reap what they sow history tells you that.

Mark C
Went out in the Wyre Estuary this weekend, very interesting experience. I enjoyed it but it was far from that of Windermere, I had the constant sense that I was in danger and that any moment something bad was going to happen. This was compounded when I can across a Family in a Windermere registered Bayliner stranded on a mud flat, we tried to get up close to help but it was imposable. The children were crying and they where all in a state of panic. The coast guard came out but he again could do nothing. The Family were instructed to wait until the tide went out further and then walk across the mud to the shore. They would have to return at 2.30 in the morning to retrieve there boat or lose it. Why have the LDNPA and the FOLD forced us all into this danger to continue our sport, it is totally unacceptable. The coast guard himself said he believed the ban on Windermere was totally unnecessary and that lives and property would be lost this year as a result of the displacement. We have as much right to a safe environment to practice our sport with our families as anybody else. If people lose there life’s this year the FOLD and the LDNPA will have to take responsibility for their actions. Mark C

Anonymous
I think the ban is good because is brings calm to Windermere

anthony griffiths
everytime we find a sport or past time in this country thats FUN ie jetskis and now wakeboarding or anything else someone spoils it with stupid decisions and rules and then they complain about mob rule and yob culture is it any surprise, (GREAT BRITAIN?) THIS DEFINETLY IS NOT!!!!!! its a nanny state with grannies running it and its time for people to tell THEM for a change im 41 and im not an old fuddy duddy like half this country, in fact me my wife and 4 kids are thinking of emergrating this boring piece of land....

Nick Ball
The ban is ill-thought out and ineffective in both its aims and implementation, but Tony Kemp's campaign is totally toys out of the pram.The WAF has failed to negotiate and now looks to alienate a lot of potential supporters by disturbing other lakes.

Tom
Is it right for LDNP rangers to threaten potential law breakers with ASBO's? Am I right in saying that we still maintain a competent system of justice which saves a National Park authority short on cash and resources from trying to enforce a law through groundless threats? This is a Natioanl Park for National enjoyment, by ignoring the wishes of so many, the Authority has been negligent in its inability to reach a compromise. What is antisocial? Effectively banning a sport which has dveloped and been legitimately practised by law abiding citizens for the past 50 years, or the Parks appeasement of its members at the expense of all others. I hope the LDNP are ashamed.

Gary Chadfield
The lakes in the lake district are a unique natural asset to all forms of water borne recreation, this should go beyond their status as a national park, Ullswater and Coniston lie virtually deserted even in high summer, there is no doubt that there is room for all forms of water sport in the Lake District. Myself and many others beleive that the authorities deliberately took little action against noise and bad behaviour in the past as this was their major asset in their plan to stop power boating The national Parks and fold are evil and selfish organistations that must be stopped.

Local Retailer
A lot of people “DO” live next to the M6 where the noise is constant not just at the weekend in the summer their not all up in arms about banning cars. If you are fortunate enough to be able to afford to live with Lake Frontage you should be prepared to put up with other peoples enjoyment. Live and let live! remember the guy who lives behind you in the even bigger house might think you spoil his view of the lake, he might want the LDNPA to compulsory purchase your house and demolish it to return the area to its natural beauty.

Local resident
I live overlooking the lake and rejoice in the peace that the lack of jetskis has brought to our lives,In summer they would be out from 6.00am or earlier and it was like living next to the M6 not a peaceful place at all - Having said that I think it has been the few who have spoiled it for the rest and if the powers that be had taken steps earlier and stopped the noisy jet skis then a compromise could have been reached I am sure, with say one no powered craft on Sundays for example instead of the complete ban that we have now.

L. Barker
Sorry karen, I was commenting on abby 18's missive - Your absolutely right - fishing, dogs & cats next. What boat to buy next ? some guidance please from LDNPA / FOLD appreciated, I have already lost a bundle on my powerboat purchased on assurances that fast boats on Windermere would be untouched (3 lakes enquiry)- Some clear direction please ranging from canoe to 50'yacht. How about motor sailers - there are one or two specialist cruising yachts with 150hp outboards, 35kn easy with a stiff wind ! If there are more bans on the agenda please let us know now. Incidentally how can it be that a tiny 13' speedboat is banned whilst a 50' mega yacht can sail around causing general mayhem whilst under sail in confined waters?

Mick Lockwood
I’m still having real problems understanding Ian Brodies ‘Nasty Power Boat’ comment. Did you use the same language during the staged public enquiry? You and your organisation are clearly discriminating. I ask you to come out of the shadows, be honest and post a letter stating your true agenda in the National Parks. We have a right to know !!! Isn’t it true that your trying to outlaw all powered water craft on all the lakes, your ‘Solar Powered Boat’ comment would appear to suggest that. If this is true again why didn’t you make this clear during the public enquiry? Where do you stand on 4x4’s, Trail Riding, Mountain Biking, Walking, and Records Week? I put it to you that over the years you have manipulated and deceived everybody concerned to get your way and put this ban in place. The 10mph limit is designed to remove a certain class of vessel from Windermere. Why should anybody trust the FOLD and the LDNPA when it is now so clear there is a hidden agenda? Your silence will speak volumes!

J Hope
GREAT NEWS everyone! I was down at the lake on sunday and saturday night. And guess what , two boats were on the water at 8pm skiing and wakeboarding! And guess what, not a warden in sight! They've had the guts to do it now how about every other speed boat user follow their lead!

Karen
Hey I'm anti ban!!!! I used to wakeboard up there - see myearlier comment. I'm simply trying to let the pro-ban lobby know that their passions could be next on the list!!!!

L. Barker
With repect to the previous correspondent, I am sorry, but I do have a right to use the lake, as does everybody else. It is a public thoroughfare and has been for centuries. No Quango or any other body have a right to impede this, which is why this issue will eventually bring down the LDNPA and its sponsors. Check your facts and don't be swayed by inaccurate propaganda put about by an unelected body who want to return my part of the world to the dark ages for their own selfish ends.

Karen
Regardless of what you all think of the speed limit, the scary thing about this whole episode is that a non elected body can have so much power. I took the opportunity last year to write to my then MP about the situation. What response did I get back? That there was nothing Parliament could do to overturn the ban. So we elect MP's who form a Government who sit in Parliament, to represent us. And a non-elected body can make decisions that affect us all and that our elected government have no say over. It doesn't matter who you are or what you think about the ban, there are quangos out there affecting ALL aspects of our lives. You may have no interest in power boats, may be glad to see the back of them on Windermere, but how long will it be before something you love is affected in the same way?

Ryan Guthrie
absolutely rubish sure for safety but the sport was a main attraction and now its gone.

Local Retailer
Grow up Abby your obviously one of the know nothing but what I'm told tree huggers who wants to let the world "go back to nature". The National Park shouldn't be about leaving everything to revert back to nature, it’s a playground for the public and the only source of income to a vast number of the people who actually live here. So if a few tadpoles and a green weed have to die to replace the missing millions of pounds from local economy I’m all for it. Why do you think cigarettes aren’t banned? It’s not because we don’t know there bad for you it’s because we want the revenue and we are prepared to make sacrifices to get it.

Gaz B
With all due respect Abby, you really haven’t a clue what you’re talking about, if you knew the facts you wouldn’t make the comments your making. The cultural heritage of the area has just been destroyed. I suggest you visit the area and do some research, talk to people about this issue and learn all you can, being as young as you are it might be a real eye opener, you think you live in a democracy ? Think again !!! Go to the WAF site and take some time to read the facts. John

Sophie
Abby, it is EVERYONE's right to use a national park. I agree that lots of ecosystems have degraded, particularly on the fells from all the fell walking. But not on Windermere. The water quality continues to improve year after year and any increase in nutriants is virtually entirely due to agricultural run off. I know, my PhD involved looking at the ecosystems of Lake Windermere.

Abby ,18
i've never even visited the lake district although i think it is selfish that all these boat users think its their right to use the lake. i think you need to realise what a national park is meant for'To conserve and enhance the natural beauty, wildlife and cultural heritage of the area'. it hasnt been your right to use the lake but a privilage, although this has been taken advantage of and has led to the degradation of many ecosystems.

Jay Farnworth
Here's an observation from the lake over the past 3 weekends - No. of private boats out could be counted on the fingers of 1 hand. Public jetties - empty. Lakeside shops & cafes - Empty at Ambleside, quiet elsewhere. Local business volumes - catastrophic. Is it a coincidence ?

Kevan Furber
Mic, the belief by many is that the speed limit was devised as a plausible way of removing one element of motorised recreation from the park to address the concerns noted by the World Heritage Status (WHS) application committee related to power boating in the National Park. And who is a major sponsor of WHS, yes, FOLD! The truth is out there, just needs someone to invest the time to establish what’s the real agenda for our National Parks.

Andy Dickens
The news letter sent out by LDNPA in 2004 whilst telling us we were no longer welcome stated “and we know of numerous other venues which are keen to attract power boats”. Well I’ve been in contact with them and nobody appears to be able to tell me just where these venues are, there don’t appear to be any this side of the border. My boat is now practically worthless in this country as everyone within 100 miles of Windermere is trying to sell theirs, and any one looking to buy in other areas finds the market saturated. So here I am with a 20 grand boat that I can’t sell for 6 grand and nowhere to use it unless I take my life (and my children’s lives) in my hands and head for the open sea. With regards to the hooligan element referred to many times below, yes there were a fair number of absolute Muppets on the lake thats why it needed a proper managed solution not a draconian ban.

Nick S
Rod, can you not count? Just have a look at this forum as an example. I'm sure you wouldn't suggest that the BBC only post comments from those against the ban? If not, then you'll agree that this forum provides a fair representation of the views.

L. Barker
Is the prior message from the Ian Brodie of the Friends of the Lake District ? If so, please point out where we, the public, in our democratic society, have signed up for a 'green' national park to the exclusion of all else.

Kevan Furber
Mr Brodie, you are now showing your true selfish FOLD objectives. Since when did your group have a monopoly on how our Nations National Park should be used? You want it all don't you? But then you have the luxury of being funded by charity donations and not having to calve an income from your own business acumen. I assume you will be fulfilled when the gates at Junction 36 on the M6 are closed and only FOLD members have keys and arrive in solar powered cars or push bikes? You will be saddened to learn that my motorboat is staying on Windermere for my kids and family to enjoy, sorry for spoiling your utopia, but you don’t own the park, we all do!

Rod
I think I'm in the majority when I say that the Lake District will be better off without power boats.

Mic Lockwood
In Relation to Ian Brodie’s comment, ‘Ian Brodie being the head of the Friends of the Lake District the body responsible for this undemocratic discrimination’. You have said it all with your ‘Nasty Power Boats and Solar Powered Boats’ you are so out of touch with the world around you with your Green policies it’s quite incredible. For the record Mr. Brodie, write a letter on this forum finally being honest explaining you’re reasoning behind this Ban, I can’t wait to hear it. Come on what is it all about? Speed, Conflict, Pollution, Erosion, Incompatibility. Or is it just as most suspect, prejudice fueled by your fantasies of an idealistic world!!! Thousands of Passionate Sports People, Business Owners, and Local Residents look forward to your reply.

Kevan Furber (Keep Windermere Alive Association)
To those who are rejoicing over the arrival of the 10 mph speed limit, please reflect in what has actually been achieved and the process that brought in this draconian byelaw. Some of my close friends and your neighbours no longer have employment; millions of pounds have been lost from the local economy. As Mr Casey (Nation Park) said last week ‘there are other people with other budgets who look after the economy’ my understanding was the third purpose of the National Park was to ‘Seek and foster the economic and social well-being of the local communities’ makes a mockery of the parks primary purpose statements. Decades of water based recreation have been lost, Windermere should stand proud of a rich history of motor boat racing and water skiing achievements, not eradicate it because of some ill-conceived idealism of a fanatical conservation society. Yes, I refer to the so-called ‘Friends’ of the Lake District; true friends would be willing to share 1% of something of such natural beauty with others. To this day I fail to understand the mechanism of how a proposal made by FOLD in 1989 for the speed limit could have overridden the recommendation of the National Park Officer that favoured a managed solution? The National Park published that the inquiry cost them £437000. No. It cost the taxpayer, well accountancy has not been the National Parks strongest discipline given the recent revelations. The opponents of the byelaw spent £137,000 at the inquiry and almost went bankrupt, towards the end the legal team were giving their time for free, a fair fight? Families and friends who chose to spend their disposable income in your area, instead of taking it abroad, will in many cases not visit. Why? Because something so special that they have been able to enjoy as they have grown up has been taken away. The kids of today need encouragement to get off the sofa or play station into the fresh air. Watersports provided good quality family based recreation, not all kids share the attraction of compounding the damage caused by the walkers to the fells that can be seen for miles around. As an association KWAA have tried tirelessly to talk to the National Park about a managed solution for all, will they talk? No. Despite criticism from the Audit Commission, DEFRA, Countryside Agency, not listening to public opinion, the door at Murley Moss remain closed as tight as a fortress under siege. But then again who are they accountable to? I understood the Park belonged to the nation? So what does 2005 hold? A summer of discontent on Windermere, lakes that have evolved quietly, post the 1976 Three Lakes Inquiry will be embroiled in the politics of campaigners simply trying to share 1% of a national park. The sight and sounds of ranger boats tracking offenders, appearances in court of normally placid people. Why? Because the National Park do not understand management is about involving people from both sides of the debate, not only the ones who promote and support their own favoured policy. The supporters of the byelaw are jumping on the environmental bandwagon, noise, erosion, all dismissed at the inquiry, nature made its point this winter in the damage it caused to the lakeshore. A boat passing or a mooring chain moving on the lakebed could hardly be compared to nature. The inquiry, on anecdotal evidence based the byelaw on incompatibility between lake user groups, 10 years of excellent lake management by the Wardens and Rangers combined with the BMT Formal Safety Assessment would suggest that the very foundations of the byelaw are a little unstable to say the least. KWAA will continue to seek a managed solution for all on Windermere, we do not have the benefit of being funded by millions in donations and legacy payments, we all have full time employment and contribute our time freely. Please remember we are fighting to share just 1% of our national park not seeking 100% exclusivity for people who agree with the National Park or FOLD. Kevan Furber Secretary – Keep Windermere Alive Association

L. Barker
Fran, I haven't heard that one but it wouldn't surprise me for a moment. Better rename the lakes as the Gulag maybe. Of course, I could always add a stick & bit of cloth to my motor boat and call it a 'yacht'.

Ian Brodie
Now we have got rid of the nasty power boats, lets hope we can persuade the ferry operators to learn from the operators on Coniston Water and use Solar Powered vessels. Only then will we be a truly Green National Park.

Fran Hopkins
I hear that the Friends of the Lake District are pushing for an all out ban on ALL motor boats on ALL the lakes regardless of any speed limits. Not compatible with the environment...

Mick Lockwood
I’ve tried to keep optimistic about my sport for the future over the winter. I though the LDNPA would work something out or I might find some other suitable safe location for my family and friends to continue the sport we have loved with a passion for many years. I went up to Fleetwood this weekend, to see what the Wyre Estuary had to offer. After this experience it’s sinking in that my sport is finished, it’s all over, unless I move elsewhere else in the world its time to give it up. It’s just not practical or affordable to sit on the motorway for 4 hours to get to Scotland I can’t get over the reasoning of the individuals responsible. You can’t just decapitate a minority sporting community without even trying to work things out. The LDNPA haven’t even attempted to find a managed solution. I hope these people are proud of themselves, is Sport worth nothing in this country ???? Disgraceful….

L. Barker
Sunday Lunch between the islands - lovely & peacefull, shattered by speeding RIB's buzzing about at high speed with flashing lights - The Rangers have all the fun !

J Hope
M Hunt : There are numerous other lakes full of fish, why not go there. We take 1% of the LDNP and you moan!

Pete Jones
I think the RYA have a lot to answer for here. There is no national licence or training required to own a high powered boat which just encourages some idiots. I wrote to the RYA asking them to bring in national certification but they refused saying it wasn't their policy. Perhaps if there had been a national scheme of driver training and certification, Windermere wouldn't have gone the way it's gone...

M Hunt
Having been an angler on Windermere for the past 15 years (from both boat and bank) I have to say that the introduction of the 10mph limit has made it a safer, quieter, much more pleasant place. No more skiing just yards from the shore from 4 in the morning till sometimes well after dark. Windermere was dominated by high speed craft with, in many cases, scant regard for other lake users. At last, sanity prevails!

Karen
I have been a visitor to Windermere for several years now specifically to take part in powered watersports and I am very sorry to see this quango take the power away from the people. I have no incentive to visit the region now and will be spending my money elsewhere. It's a shame some compromise could not be reached which would allow us all to use the lakes lawfully.

Mark
I have been a Windermere resident all my life and I am appalled by this discrimination. I have been down to the lake side a number of times recently and what should now be developing into a vibrant exciting magical atmosphere, is instead flat and dead. The LDNPA our destroying a cycle that has naturally developed of many years. Familiar faces are disappearing, boats are being moved elsewhere, businesses are laying people off, and amongst many local people there is a feeling deflation and frustration. A return to Tranquillity, absolute rubbish. There is no Problem !!! The LDNPA need removing before they are allowed to completely destroy everything.

Paul Howes
As with the majority of views here, this ban should never have come in to force. The small minority who with the political backing of Prescott pushed this through deserve to sent to Spitzbergen if they really want peace and tranquillity!

Tom Johnson 'Windermere Resident'
When are the LDNPA going to wake up? They don’t own this lake or area for that matter. Its time local people chose the individuals in charge of the future direction of the District. Enough is enough we need a change before its too late and the very sprit and perception of the area is damaged. Its time the LDNPA became more honest, they must realize what a mess their making and the conflict their causing, It’s OK to admit you have made a mistake, as long as you put it right, to dig your heals in and cut everybody off and stubbornly push forward is irresponsible and an abuse of power.

Allan
HOORAY! Three cheers to the LDNPA for having the courage and sense to bring in the speed limit. I have been fishing on Windermere for over 35 years both from the shore and in a small boat.I have had my day ruined on many, many occasions by selfish arrogant and thoughtless powerboat owners.Most times I am on the lake at dawn and even then some boaters think i'ts fun to circle my small boat. Presumably because I'm their only audience at 5a.m. To list just a few problems last season:- Fishing at Red Nab car park and a skier came too close to the shore and actually dragged two expensive rods and reels into the water.Yes he fished them out but wasn't very apologetic. Bass rock early morning and observed some brain-dead morons having a great time trying to ram two swans. Unfortunately too far away to get the boat reg number. Many times whilst fishing on bass rock I have waved at boats to let them know I have lines out, admittedly most acknowledged and moved further out but still a good proportion just put two fingers up, consequently cutting my lines. On a rock mark near the ferry two ski boats at idle about twenty feet out just alonside my bright orange floats.After about ten minutes I politely asked them to move away and received a torrent of abuse. I have yet to meet another angler opposed to the speed limit as sadly the actions of a large number have deservedly justified the need for the speed limit. I feel sorry for the majority who are thoughtful on the water especially the people from Low-wood ski centre who always seem to be very professional, aware of and cosiderate to other lake users but still feel the limit is correct. As for jet skiers after numerous altercations with them I'd like permission to shoot them all. If there is a justification for having the limit recinded, I would suggest very stringent rules and regulations concerning the safe and considerate use of all boats on the lake. I actually thought last season that many boat owners were being more thoughtful towards others, perhaps in the hope of getting support to have the limit overturned.

Ian Wright
I have been visiting the Lake District - primarily Bowness on Windermere for the past 10 years - almost every weekend - including the past year owning a motor cruiser on the lake (now sold because of the ludicrous ban!) This weekend (May Bank Holiday 2005) went to prove the ridiculous and disastrous impact which the speed limit has had on the area. The Lake was DEAD! What a shame.

Dave Burns
None of the tourists who used to video and photograph us from the ferries seemed to be complaining about us spoiling there enjoyment. I bet there was more film used on a Windermere ferry than a Coniston ferry with no water sports to watch. Few of the tourists I ever spoke to even new of the impending ban, it certainly didn’t have any bearing on there decision to come to the lake. The tourists are the massive spenders who keep the economy going but if there is any clash of bodies on Windermere it wasn’t the skiers and tourists it was skiers and sailors. As sail boats have numerous other lakes in the area at there disposal why weren’t they the ones forced to leave or why wasn’t one of the other lakes opened up to skiers. We don’t want all the lakes just one will do.

Michael Cameron
Bank Holidays are usually spent on the water with my wife and two children. This year it is not possible due to the speed ban. Normally our main holday in August is spent on lake windermere along with freinds this year all we will spend our money abroad. My 11 year old daughter wote to the deputy prime minister asking if he could explain why the ban has happened. She got a standard legal letter from the LDNPA this reply did not explain the situation to an adult never mind a 12 year old child! The ban is down to power and politics and will hurt the local economy. I hope the next goverment overturns this silly ban as soon as possible.

Graham Springford
We went wakeboarding on Windermere at least twice a week during the summer and at least once a fortnight during the winter. From September to March you could count the number of boats on the water on one hand. The lake is only busy at the weekend for three months of the year, that’s about 30 days a year, a two year out could come up with a plan for managing that amount of congestion. The simple truth is no compromise was sought, there are far smaller lakes than Windermere that operate sail and power boats in harmony with a sensible management plan. As for myself as stated earlier my visits to Windermere used to average 70-80- a year with 4 or 5 of us spending the day there in the winter of staying over for the weekends in summer. We have not returned since March 29th and see no reason to return in the future our revenue is heading north to Loch Lomond.

Dave Burns
I must feature on thousands of tourist photographs and videos of Windermere; I used to think I was more photographed than David Beckham. The tourists on the ferries always waved and photographed the skiers as we passed them you never saw anyone complaining. I’d bet the house a tourist on a Windermere cruise took more photos and was better entertained than the one cruising Coniston. The LDNPA is incapable of managing itself let alone the implementation of a workable management plan. Its list of catastrophic failings is to long to list here but suffice to say the day it bankrupts itself and the local economy cannot be far away. You can’t run a business catering exclusively for the people who arrive by car with a flask and sandwiches wander round then go home without putting a penny in to the local economy. As for our group and its eight thousand pounds per year expenditure just like Elvis we have “left the building”.

Jay Farnworth
As a one who has for donkeys years spent thousands each year locally on motor boating - Bye bye Lakes, Wales here I come.

David Saunders
Within living memory Windermere had glorious reed beds, that helped keep the water pure enough to swim in. Now Winderemere is dangerously polluted, and the reed beds are long gone, the ir parting helped no doubt by excessive speedboat wakes. Somewhere in between those who say 'let us have our fun' and the large group living round the lake who say 'let us have our peace and quiety', is still- beautiful lake with a fragile, shattered ecosystem. First things first -- let's bring Windermere back to life, then find ways to live with her that work for everyone. Smoking bans, fishing bans, and and now the speed ban on Windermere all came about because minorities failed to strike a right balance in their actions, and larger groupd struck back. The answer lies not in drawing battle lines, but in building understanding -- in dialogue not hooliganism.

Jim
Yes Elizabeth, the *majority* of locals opposed the ban. In fact 10 times more people opposed the ban than supported it according to the National Parks own Windermere Strategy document. But they just ignored all this local opinion!

Elizabeth Cuthbert
... The lake is very peaceful without the loud boats. The small area speedboaters want to use is incompatible with the vast majority of users and locals. Have you asked LOCAL people what they think, rather than your mates in the business, or second home owners?

Andy Burton
Considering that one of the primary arguments for the ban on windermere was that it was in favour of the majority, it makes you think what rubbish that is. 9 1/2 out of 10 people that have posted on this page agree that the speed ban is a stupid idea, its taken the freedom away from the people.. in so much that every lake in the lake district, and so indeed every public lake in england now has a speed limit on it, as far as i am aware. Unbelievable. Looks like im travelling up to Loch Lomond in Scotland, and i only live 10 miles away from windermere, until the ban reaches scotland, of course!

gemma mcketny
its rubbish

Reuben Wilson
Sad time's! i've Waterski'd on Windermere since I was 5 years old. My Mum & Dad Waterskied on Windermere 35 years ago. My Grandma even had a go. I'm one of Seven children and our whole family, including extended family & friend love the lakes & Waterskiing! Where do we go now? Where is the alternative?!

Pete
Now the power boats have gone it's like the whole lake is breathing a sigh of relief. Good riddance!

Gaz
This Ban is totally unacceptable, I won’t let my sport be taken away, there is just nowhere else to go, On the majority of the evening’s I’ve water-skied on the lake with my family over the last 20 years, its been very quite, far far from over crowed, my boat make’s less noise then a car ... I have total respect for the environment and other lake users, what is the problem. I too have read the Public Enquiry and it is totally flawed, the title should ‘Windermere Water-sport 45 Minute Speed Ban’ there is no reason to discriminate against us, it’s disgraceful ... shame on them, people will look back on this Ban in the coming years with dismay and disbelieve ...

Tony W
I believe that the ban is an absolute disgrace. There is enough space in the lake district to cater for all. What next - A ban on sail boats due to them spoiling the natural beauty of the lake with their large flapping sails, or the noise of the wind in the rigging keeping us all awake at night. Perhaps the LDNPA will next direct their attention to the many ramblers who spoil the countryside with their prescence. I am sure that with a little common sense the needs of all types of lake users could be catered for

Tony Kemp
This issue is not simply about "Windermere" or whether water skiers should or should not be allowed there. The Lake District is a "National Park", is a huge diverse area of some 2,292 sq kms, and there is plenty of room for everyone. The water skiers only want to be able to carry on sharing 1% of the entire area and are quiet happy to be excluded from 99% of the park. This is the commitment that was made 30 years ago, and the water skiers have always honoured it - that is - until the LDNPA renaged on their promise.

Stuart Lovatt
Windermere at 18.00 last Saturday night was deserted to argue that the 10mph ban is because of congestion is at the least disingenuous. The lake should be availiable to all users as was the intention when the lake was given to the National Park, for the benefit and enjoyment of all. If time limits were imposed, not between 10.00am and 18.00 this would at least be a compromise that could be lived with. I do not own a boat but I have on occassion water-skied and at no time where other lake users in any kind of danger. Indeed a recent safety risk assessment has shown the lake is safer with a number of speed boats that can respond quickly to an incident. What would happen if one of the steamers got into difficulty? The Norfolk Broads have just allowed water-skiers back following a similar risk assessment but within specific rules. What about the people of the lakes who will lose their livelihoods and the generations who will miss out on a legitimate British sport due to the intransigence of a few? I konw that many parents bring their children to the lake each weekend and have enjoyed a healthy sport as a family unit. The children are taught respect for the water and other users as well as a degree of responsibility. How can this be wrong. The Government should be supporting parents who want to raise their children to have respect for their peers and have responsibility for their actions. The bye-law needs to be withdrawn or at the least amended to bring in time constraints before irreperable damage is done to the economy of the area.

Mick Lockwood
The ban is a disgrace, Its has taken away peoples rights to practice their passionate sporting activities. It’s damaged the sprit and the economy of the area, and alienated a minority group. Which ever way you look at it its discrimination. If you read the public enquiry you will find there are NO grounds for this limit to be imposed. Its time people begin questioning the authority of the non-elected LDNPA. I for one will be using the other lakes this year. I won’t let my sport die, and I won’t put the lives of my family at risk at sea. 1% of the lakes is all we ask for. The LDNPA should be answerable and publicly explain their reasons for this ban, stop their propaganda and spin and be open and honest, people have had enough of the way this Quango conducts itself.

James Greco
My friends and I are all keen Wake boarders; we brought plenty of business to the area before the ban was enforced. The ban states that towed water sports are still allowed, but exactly what towed water sports can you do at 10 mph? None is the reality! I think sensible restrictions should apply e.g. RYA certification, public liability insurance; 30 mph speed limit is designated areas etc... The Lake is large enough for everyone to enjoy, it’s a shame that the fat cat’s don’t think so.

Jonathan Hope
Of course the ban is pure stupidity. Just look at what happened to coniston! All that myself and fellow waterskiiers wanted was 1%, yes 1% of the Lake district to enjoy our sport. Is that really too much to ask?

Nick
Windermere Action Force has been campaigning for 5 years to have a sensible 30mph speed limit applied fairly to all craft, but more importantly, we have been campaigning for enforced certification of all drivers (RYA Powerboat Level 2) and enforced insurance.

stuart dalton
What a stupid idea 10 mph is no good for anyone it is the worst speed you can do in a boat it creates the biggest wake, it is the hardest to control the boat and also gives the worst view for navigation with the nose right up in the air. 40mph would mean all lake users could do whatever they wanted and remember you don’t have to go up to the speed limit all the time

Darren
Minorities are always easy targets and waterskiers are a minority. To all those saying "Good riddance!"; beware. It could be your hobby that gets banned next. Soon the only legal hobby will be sitting on your backside and watching the soaps or reality TV. Anyone read 1984?

Dean Saunders
Funnily enough, I asked all about the speed limit in the Bowness tourist information centre just the other week. I am a keen water skier and was up from London for a holiday and wasn't aware of the ban! Also, the hotel I stayed in were dismayed by the ban and it's effects on the local economy. They told me that so far this year trade is well down on previous years. I think the Lake District National Park have made a big mistake here and I hope they change their minds.

Steve Troutbeck
Tony Kemp is a fool. The area around Windermere is peaceful and quiet and great to canoe on without being aimed at by jetskiers. Tony Kemp suggests that the majority of local people object to the speed limit, I don't think so! Even visitors aren't bothered. I work in a tourist information centre and visitors do not ask about the speed limit and are not interested in powered watersports. Instead they ask about places to visit to enjoy the quiet of Cumbria and the beauty of its landscape.

Jigger
There was peace and tranquility before the ban. Now it's dead.

Jim McBride
I think that the ban is a good idea because there is peace and tranquility in the jewel of the crown of the lake district.

Rachel
Windermere was always promised to be the people's lake but by passing the 10mph ban the lake has been taken away from us! Not only have people lost one of the few leisure activities there are in this area the ban has created widespread job loss and uproar. It's politics gone mad!

James Richards
The ban signals a failure to manage a fantastic natural resource. If sailing and power boating are incompatible why not encourage sailors to use every other lake? This would be less controversial than the current plan and would leave Windermere for skiing as promised in the 3 lakes enquiry.

Paul
I agree with Phil. The waterskiiers were no problem. Quite sociable, family groups that spent a lot of money. The jetski's on the other hand were noisy, unsociable and generally very badly behaved. I'm sure a ban on jetski's or a licencing scheme would have worked better than a total ban. Windermere doesn't seem the same now :(

Phil
I am a true local who has lived in Windermere for the past 56 years. During this period of time I have made use of most of the local amenities with the exception of waterskiing which has no appeal to me whatsoever. However I do feel a compomise could have been reached with waterskiing bing allowed but ban the jet skis which in my opinion are noisy, boring and create far more damage to the environment that a water skier. Having said that the 4*4's that all jetskiers appear to drive create far more of a problem because the majority of their drivers cant park, usually take up more than one space and are not used to driving on our country roads.

Nick-S
Coniston, Ullswater, Derwent AND Windermere are all there for skiing/speeding or racing on!

David, Wigan
Just like Scott below, my wife and I and 2 kids are thinking of emigrating, this time to Spain, but again only because of the boating. Like Scott, the area will lose our money - I employ 45 people in a small engineering firm. The quicker the country can get rid of Blair and his nanny-state government the better.

Richard Wood
I am a business owner in Lake Windermere and I am highly opposed to this new law enforcement. I feel that that the ban will cause a reduce in popularity among tourists and therefore will cause less people to vacation in the Lake District and in turn bring me less customers and therefore less profit.

scott pearson
My wife and two sons have always visited the lake with our small speeed boat. Our routine for the past 5 years or so was that we would visit initially for a tour of the lake at the end of February. We would have lunch at the Edgwater in Ambleside, then continue our tour of the lake. We would then stop at Fallbarrow Park or Whitecrest bay for 2 or 3 weekends over the next 2 months bringing us to the end of April. At this point my wife, two sons and I would don our wetsuits and crash jackets and ski! Good healthy (very healthy!) family fun. Our main holidays would be taken in the south of France, but our weekend fun was at Windermere. This has all gone now. We started this years boating during a 1 week holiday in Loch Lomond in March. We will visit the River Dee in Chester over the next month or so, then off to Loch Lomond again! France in August. As a result of this crazy ban, my wife and I are going to emmigrate to Australia where fun is still allowed. However, by us emmigrating, the UK is losing an Police officer and a Midwife. CRAZY FUN HATING UK or what?!?!? Bureaucracy gone absolutely mad! Give us our lake back! Scott Pearson.

John
Well they have had their way they have stopped us skiing. Its funny how a lot of them want to keep speed week though. Thats what this is all about isnt it speed?

Simon Nicholson
Well guess what, I went for a great day out waterskiing on Derwent yesterday (06/04/05). Not a ranger in sight and we had at least 3 hours on the water. I would urge you to come and join me. No registration fees either! It actually made for a cheaper day out that skiing on Windermere would have been. See you there....

louise newbould
no ban on windermere!!!

Duncan Armfield
It is absolutley disgraceful that an unelected body can take a decsion like this. This effects young people and the Lakes should be for everyone and not a select few. Aren't young people the key to the future of our National Parks?

Gaz B
This issue is about to Spiral the Lake District into ciaos. Having followed this for years and having read all the articles and literature 'including the public enquiry' , having spoke to all lake users, and lake wardens the Ban in totally un-necessary, un-democratic and put simply the actions of a handful of Unelected Idealists who what the Lake Distinct to follow the model of the American National Parks. These parks aim to restrict the access of all people, Sports Boats are just the start, do you think the cancellation of guided walks was anything to do with attracting ethnic minorities ? Wake up see though the spin and look at the bigger picture! Windermere has evolved into a balanced, well managed lake of which we should be proud, it could further be improved with better management and cooperation by the LDNPA. If your in doubt of this read the Lake Wardens 04 report !!! ... The LDNPA and the so called Friends of the Lake District have stirred up a mass of Conflict in the lake district, it won't go away it will only get worse as Bank Holiday Protests bring the area to a standstill. The LDNPA need to take a long hard look at the mess their making and either put it right or stand aside!!!

Mick Lockwood
Read these Letters, look at the conflict this is causing, look at the bitterness and spitefulness of people on both sides of an argument, a conflict created by the LDNPA. This won’t go away, this ill feeling will last for years and it’s truly disgraceful. There is no problem on Windermere; everybody knows this can be resolved with a managed solution. The whole perception of the area is being ruined by the attitude, prejudice, and discrimination of the LDNPA. The undemocratic, underhanded approach of this Quango is in the open for all to see. Whatever your view’s on this issue consider the calculation of the guided walks program. Its time we establish an elected body to manage the National Park, its time (the LDNPA) were replaced with elected persons ... before they destroy what we all have, love and share in this magical region.

James Southwalk - waterskier
To Ronnie: The LDNPA should ban fell walking. Erosion from walking does far more damage to the area than erosion from boats. Even the Public Enquiry found that erosion from boat wash wasn't an issue. The National Park is a resource for ALL to enjoy.

John
To all of you who hate speed boat owners, Im going and as you say you wont miss my £2000 a year garage fees my £40-50 a weekend fuel bill the meals my family and friends buy or even the Hotel bills. This will all be replaced with the money off walkers yes walkers spend lots dont they if your lucky and i mean lucky one of them might break thier flask or drop their sandwiches and spend hours finding the cheapest cafe.

Ronnie
Yes! At last we are rid of these people who barge in with their speedboats, jet skis and 4x4's, and who have total disregard for other people who wish to enjoy the tranquility of the area. I have watched the lake shore being steadily eroded over the years by their speed, and been frustrated by the continual roar of noise and the pollution in the lake. Good riddance to you.

Annie
It seems a shame that they did not impose time retrictions for speed instead of all out banning. This may have helped both sides.

Danny
To Margaret and the so-called "dave m" Margaret - I don't live on the lake shore and never have. I moved away from Windermere (not Bowness) several years ago. "dave m" - You're living in Cloud Cuckoo Land if you think powerboaters never use the lake in the early hours of the morning and that tourism will collapse with 10mph the speed limit. I ask you this - How many people on Bowness promenade have come to see people waterskiing?

wendy mason
The 10 mph speed limit on windermere should be lifted immediately, the power boaters and water skiers should be allowed back before they ruin the rest of the lake district as they seem intent on moving to the other lakes. Lets keep the noise, speed and pollution to one place. People who want this sort of activity can should be able to stay on windermere and the rest of us, who enjoy peace, quiet and non polluting water sports can continue to do so in safety. Power boats on every lake in the district would effectively make them unusable by any one else. The ban on windermere is totally unacceptable.

Geoff Schofield
I must agree with Chris.Surely no one will come to Bowness and Windermere and expect peace and quiet even if the limit is imposed.......But let`s keep the other lakes quiet.I don`t want to be walking above the east side of Coniston, looking down on powerboats while dodging trailriders and 4x4`s

Doug Palliser
It seems a great shame that the Lake could not be zoned so that it could be enjoyed for many reasons.I enjoy both the tranquility and the water sports equally.

Chris
I'm still waiting to hear a single good argument in favour of the ban. There are plenty of other lakes for people who want peace & quiet, why anyone would be stupid enough to go to Windermere expecting tranquility with all the traffic and crowds is rediculous anyway. World class atheletes have flourished on this lake, to deny people from using it to practice their sports and hobbies really is a national disgrace.

roger ingham
As a local resident for over 20 years and as a keen sailor and speed boat owner, the 10 mph speed limit has the usual "no compromise" stamped all over it. It is all very well the LDNPA saying that none of the speed boat fraternity came to the table when they asked for their views. As a local rate payer and lake mooring holder my opinion was never sought. Surely an area buoyed off under Claife Heights in North Lake(were they run the speed trials)could have been set aside for water skiiers. Call this a democracy!

James Williams - another local
I disagree with this speed limit, especially as it doesn't apply to sailing boats who can happily zoom along at 30mph on a windy day.

dave m
the comment by so called danny, is a load of horse. ride your bike up and at 5am if you wish, not that that has any relevance on the situation. who races a boat at 5am? no-one since i've been involved in the sport and that 20 years. the tree huggers have got ther own way. we dont pollute as bad as that pleasure boat, so that will keep running. this speed limit has killed its heritage. windermere is a lovely part of the world and so much can go on there. it was a place for all ages til midnight monday. now, with no offence, is only good for old people. how are traders in bowness etc going to cope? a massive lake, so why not give the boating part of it. this is putting people out of business in more ways than 1.

William Anthony Farmer
We live in a democracy and the water skiers and families should be allowed to carry on sharing just 1% of the entire Lake District for their sport. Anything less is not a democracy, its a dictatorship and will only lead to increased conflict and civil disobedience, the very things that the 10mph bylaw has failed to address.

Frank Gosling
In my view the limit should never have been imposed. I work on the L:ake ona day to day basis and cannot say I have ever noticed great conflicts of interest. By zoning activities some degree of control could have been imposed without the drconian measures taken by the Planning Board which does not represent the ordinary man in the street in Cumbria. If anything needed to be banned it was solely the jet ski boats. A small minority of the drivers of these caused a nuisance and gave the rest of the Lake users a bad name. Syufficient regard has not been taken of the effects on the local economy after all we all need to earn money to live and a significant number of persons are employed in the tourist industry in one way or another. In past times speed limits have been imposed on the other Lakes in the Lake district and as a local I was always under the impression that Windermere would be left alone. Finally I would say I have no particular axe to grind. I am not a power boater or water skier.

John MIller Aspatria.
The lake is big enough to accomodate everyone. Split it down the middle and let the skiers use the far side. If people want tranquility there are plenty of other lakes. Too many jobs to be lost forever. Live and let live.

susan
once again we will tranquillity in the lakes a nice quite relaxing place to sit and watch the sun go down and not have to listen to vroom vroom vroom of the motor boats and jet skis if i had my way it would be 5 mph it's the overseas visitors who bring a lot of money in the lakes comining to see the beauty of wordsworth words . is it not.

Paul - Windermere
Be prepared to see the instance of drownings or emergency call-outs increase as water-skiers will be forced out to sea in small boats. I have every sympathy for those that have lost access to their hobby. And it added character to the area!

Margaret
To Danny if you dont like the sound of the boats sell your house and move! In fact we could compusivly purchase your house and flatten it restoring the lake shore!

Jane
Great to hear the lake silent. I hear that they are thinking of adding a water thickener, like gelatin, to stop boats travelling fast -is this true?

Tony
When are the speed bumps going to be installed and the 'speed camera location' listings published?

Simon
Glad to see the ban is now in place after so much discussion. I do hope that it is to be enforced with a strong arm and stiff penalties. Does this mean an end to the water speed records?

paul
The fair rule would be to ban everyone from Windermere. So the pleasure craft, childrens dingies, canoes etc would all go. This would take it back to silence. Does the ban cover the airspace - so now banning the low flying up and down the lake?

john
I think we should now ban fishing on the counties lakes. all those unsightly umberellas and waders. Utterly disgusting.

Geoff Schofield
Let the powerboaters and skiers have the small amount of Windermere that they have been using. But their intention to break the limits on Coniston, Derwent Water, and Ullswater is not acceptable.

Keith Liddle
Now I have a good reason to come back and enjoy the Lake District.

Danny
Perhaps the speedboat owners would like me to ride my motorbike flat-out up and down their street at 5am on a Sunday morning then get several others to carry on until late in the evening then do it again the following day... and the next day... and the one after that... from Spring to Autumn. Then, when we're bored of blasting up and down their roads we could ride very slowly along their route to and from work causing huge traffic jams. When confronted we could then protest that our activity brings huge amounts of trade to the area and that their local businesses would go under without us. What utter rubbish! Goodbye and good riddance. You had your chance to self-regulate and blew it. There are many places where you are welcome but The Lake District is not one of them. Our tourist industry grew up without you and will continue to flourish without you.

Ronnie Irving
B****r off onto the sea where most of these motor launches were built for!

Mike Parker
It seems a pity that the Lake District has become so elitist that it cannot tolerate speedboats on just part of only one of the lakes

Calum
Most of the people that oppose the ban don't live in the Lakes. They don't give much to the local economy as they often bring food and fuel with them. The local boat yards will suffer but that's life. Much of the money brought to Bowness (and other towns) is from family trips and people drinking in the evening.

last updated: 16/06/05

David B
Re Courtney. I am not going to turn this into a personal slanging match, but please do not assume beacause I do not consider myself to have a sliver spoon that I am envious of you. You are not the only person in the world who can afford a house in another country. Winderemere is big enough for everyone and whether you choose to see it or not peoples livelyhoods are being ruined by this ban.

adam
RE:Mike Jones. What!!! Yes we do, we have the right to navigate any public water body and have been doing so for hundreds of years, and the fact is that this is the ONLY lake within a 100 mile radius that we can use. Other than extreemly expensive tiny private lakes!! re:Courtney why ever would you buy a property on the lake sure in the first place if you did not agree with the powred craft!! GO TO ULSWATER!! You can we cant!

MARK C
My Parents went for a day out at Windermere yesterday, they bought two cups of tea and two sticky toffee puddings. Sum total £4.50…. The LDNPA really haven’t a clue have they, five years to diversify, diversify to what? Engineering, Market Gardening, International Imports.

Dave Burns
Is there anyone in favor of the ban who has a sensible reason for supporting it?

Nick-S
The LDNPA is announcing job cuts and a predicted £1M shortfall in funding. Maybe they should revoke the speed limit and take over the management of launching from the local authority. That way they could keep the income which they obviously need at the moment. See, we try to help....

GB
I see the scottish have seen sense, and dropped plans for a 7mph limit on Loch Lomand :) Its only a matter of time before the Windermere Ban is Revoked its a sham and everybody knows it !!!

V. Forge
A big well done to the Scots for their sensible and well thought out plan for managing Loch Lomond. No blanket ban, just an amendment to the existing zones. Apparently they thought through the financial impact for all concerned as well as reconciling the needs of all parties...

Courtney (Los Angeles, CA)
Mr. Dave B: my family has a holiday cottage on the lake shore and I completely agree with Paul Taylor. Furthermore I find your comments to be insulting and inappropriate; everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Don't be jealous of our silver sponns, you only wish that you were born with one yourself

Grant Robinson
I understand why skiers and powerboat enthusiasts are upset about the speed limit. However, I would add that there was over 5 years to try and do something about it before the speed limit came into effect. It seems that you all waited a little late to speak up. Perhaps if there had been this ammount of disapproval voiced back in 2000, the speed limit may never have come into place. Also, if anywhere deserves to be listed as a World Heritage site it is Windermere. So, if the real reasoning behind the speed limit is the LDNPA's quest to have Windermere and the Lake District listed as a World Heritage site, can we really be upset with them?

L.B.
My haven't we ruffled some feathers. With so many posts after all this time one can see this is a very contentious issue. The ban is in place. The law is an ass. This is a bad law. It restricts long standing practice for no real reason. It is an infringement of freedom. Period. Environment - Not an issue noted by the review. Safety - Ban mountain climbing. That causes more harm. Quiet solitude (I forget the precise wording used) - ban trippers & do the job properly.

Mick Lockwood
Ref: Paul, the LDNPA’s unwillingness ‘or should I say strategy though prejudice and idealism’ to consider a managed solution is at the heart of this issue, as you said the vast majority of users were respectful so can we agree that a managed solution or at very least an attempt at a managed solution is the answer. All I know is my sport my passion and my favourite place on the whole planet has been taken from me, for what reason, no reason at all. Put yourself in our shoes and see the big picture.

Dave B
Thank god most of the locals are not like Paul Taylor. Clearly money and in his opinion class has not bought him intelligence. Tourism is not alive and well your silver spoon just hides the view. Get off your high horse.

Mike Jones
It seems to me that everyone on this message board feels like they have been robbed or something. It was not your God given right to ski on Lake Windermere. The LDNPA are obvioulsy acting in what they see as the best interests of the national park. Quit whining, and find somewhere else to use your powerboats.

Paul Taylor
Re: Andy. Whilst I respect your comments, you seem to be missing my point. I also see the speed limit as a drastic measure. My point is that, whilst recognising that the majority of powerboaters were respectful and responsible, it had become necessary due to a significant group of power boaters who did not use the lake responsibly. I beleive that there were better solutions such as zoning, or time limits for speed. Even the introduction of more lake wardens would have aided the problem. But if it is a question of a speed limit or nothing, I will choose the speed limit. Also, if you are going to infer that I am myself a yuppie, please look up the definition of the word. I think you will find that it is somewhat of an oxymoron for someone to have lived all their life in a village and be a yuppie.

Paul Taylor
Re: Mick Lockwood. First of all "I", have not destroyed the balance, you have the LDNPA to thank for that. Secondly, the riff raff of whom you speak, are not limited to those people who are not enjoying water sports! In fact, I would go as far to say that the 'riffiest and raffiest' visitors that I have met, have been at Windermere Mariner Village when morring my own boat. Please do not equate money with class, I have both, and know all too well the difference between the two. The fact of the matter is that the environment is being protected and preserved by the speed limit. Tourism is still alive and well, and as you point out, herratage and culture are important to the Lake District, and toursits seeking both, bring pleanty of money with them.

andy
Re Paul Taylor I agree that the lake district should be enjoyed by every one including water skiers jet bikers and power boaters it is big enough . who are the dis respectful yuppies the people who spend a few thousand pounds of their hard earned money on a boat for there family to enjoy or the people like Paul Taylor that live on the lake shore in there million pound houses moaning about everything . why do these people go on as if they alone own the lake district if Mr Taylor has got experience of skiing below 10 mph where did he gain this experience (lets think ) no he cant of been one of us disrespectfull yuppies that ski on Windermere can he? If like me you are heavier than the average 20 year old it is not possible to stand up on skis at less than 10 mph. As for loud music the only time I have heard loud music on the lake it was from a jazz band on the swan

Mick Lockwood
Re: Paul Taylor Ive near heard such Predudice self-centered clap-trap in all my days. Fish and Chip papers, we don’t eat chips we consume only the finest cakes and wines. You have destroyed not managed the balance, you think Bowness is like Blackpool now wait till the riff raff arrive and businesses are forced to offer package holidays and all-in Stag Do’s to meet the massive short fall. Oh and you forgot a few things SPORT and HERRATAGE and CULTURE.

adam
What as shame.....I keep reading about the cut backs that the LDNPA are being now forced to take on account of finical constraints. There is another way you know LDNPA!!! But also this applies to us, we the caring sports people who love and cherish our weekend activities and hobbies are now being classed as "powerboaters" this conjures up images of loud yobs throwing beer cans in to our beautiful lake. Our argument thought the ban has been floored, we have used tactics that are fitting of Yobs, such as civil disobedience. This only helps strengthen the argument of the LDNPA. We need to be caring, we need to be environmentally focused and we need to show these people that the lake mean as much if not more to us than them. Lets work together, lets give Tony Kemp and other people pushing this campaign our full support both financially, physically and morally!!!

Paul Taylor
I have lived in Windermere my entire life, and am in full support of the 10mph sppen limit. I am only 20, but in my lifetime alone, I have watched the lake district, Windermere and Bowness especislly, go completely in the wrong direction. I remember when the area was quaint, interesting and unique -full of local charm. In the last ten to fifteen years it has begun to turn into some tacky resort with sights and activities that at times looks more like blackpool than a national park. The type of tourism that we have been catering to is clearly not the best type for Windermere and the Lake District. The Lake District is a national park for a reason, and should be enjoyed by everyone. Climbing, hiking, walking, swimming, visiting the stomping grounds of Wordsorth, Beatrix Potter and the likes; these are actities that everyone can enjoy, powerboating is not. It is an activity which is enjoyed by a very small minority. I might also add that whilst I myself was able to enjoy water sports on the lake in the past, virtually no one from my local friends were in a position to, or interested in, using power boats. As it is such a minority activity to the area, and because the impact that it has on other visitors enjoyment, it is only right that the limit stay in place. No one has been told that they cannot use their boats on Windermere, only that they cannot go above 10mph, and from personal experience I know it us possible to stand up on water ski's and remain within the speed limit. Also, I grew up in a house on the lake shore, and any comment that the noise is unnoticable or limited is seriously inaccurate. Every day and night of the summer holidays was set to the backdrop of noisy, disrespectful yuppies on their boats and jet skis. I see the speed limit as a drastic measure but unfortunately a necessary one, as there was simply too significant a group, of loud, disrespectful power boaters, who continually played loud music from their boats late into the night, and also littered and polluted the lake and surrounding environment (I can't tell you how many times fish & chip papers washed up onto our lawn). Yes, Windermere and Bowness are now quieter places, and all the better for it. Many of those who are missing, are those who were perhaps not welcome in the first place. I'm glad the speed ban is in place, perhaps now we can all enjoy the lake district, and my home, a little more.

V. Forge
Crossing our fingers for Kate Hoey & co. whose private members bill goes before Parliament soon. (According to the W. Gazette) If passed this could force the LDPNA to install a management plan with a relaxed speed limit. Go Kate Go - Give it your best. (Never thought I'd cheer on a labour politician !)

Gaz B
Tell us more about the article in Trail Magazine !!!

James
There's a really good article in the Nov 05 edition of Trail magazine. Worth a read to make you feel a bit better.

L. Barker
Dear Emma of the LDPNA. Thanks you for your kind offer. All I can suggest is that you include high speed power boating on your agenda as Windermere has a long & rich history for this sport. I guess you can start in the mid to late 1800's when the local gentry effectively had a power race to build the biggest & fastest steam boats - Satanella exceeded 28 mph for example. Then Seagrave of course in the 30's & Buckley in the 50's etc.I could say one could write a book about it but there are already many available. Power boating has a long and illustious history here, why not recognise it for what it is & bring the lake back to life ?

Ken
You're right, the lake did rock.... I have some really happy memories of being out on Windermere on an evening with a good crowd, just wakeboarding and having a good time whilst causing no harm to anyone or anything.

andy
Wow – Windermere on the Water – is a joint initiative aimed at highlighting the area’s rich history, literature, landscape and opportunities in a special event in June 2006. An open meeting has been called for the 24th of November, at Windermere’s Hydro Hotel, to share ideas and test support from both local businesses and the community. If you would like to attend the meeting call Emma Metcalfe, at the Lake District National Park Authority on 015394 40807. is anybody going to this

Mick Lockwood
It’s been a year now since I last went to Windermere. Used to be every other week for decades. Feels so depressing to have been bullied away.

L. Barker
PS I should have said I was out on my sport boat the other day, proceeding (in an orderly manner) at somewhat less than 10 mph.... 12 months ago my children & I would have been out skiing, along with another half dozen or so other boats. I could cry, we all feel so upset about this.

poo
windermere lake rocked until the ban was introduced

Dave Jeffrey
Re andy's comment about getting together and trying to do something about the ridiculous 10mph speed limit, nice thought andy, but they wouldn't take any notice! The three fishermen that use the boat on windermere also run a website for fishermen, but in particular for kid's and disabled, when the 10mph speed limit was starting way back we wrote to the LDNPA on 9 occasions about the effect it would have on lake users, in particular kids on the lake, we got one! yes you read right! one reply !! the gist of the reply was that it had been decided and it would come into effect, in other words go away were not interested, well that's what it appeared to me to mean. So I'm sorry andy they won't take any notice of anybody, well they haven't up to now. If they ever realise exactly what they have done, which i think is unlikely, (if they did they wouldn't admit it anyway) it will be too late, mind you i think it's too late now for a lot of the business in Bowness, Windermere, and Ambleside, hotels, pubs, gift shops, restaurants etc, oh and we musn't forget the boat businesss that have laid people off because the engineers etc couldn't adapt to knitting or dry stone walling etc, are drastically down on takings for this year, but wait until next year when the takings drop even more, maybe then the howl of anger and resentment towards the LDNPA will get noticed, do you think? nah they'll just say they didn't adapt!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave.

raymondo
By their pursuit of the damaging speed limit policy, the Board and Management of the LDNPA have seriosly jeopardised their own ability to protect the economy and environment of the Lake District - heads should roll and soon.

L. Barker
I was out on the lake yesterday late afternoon. I left work early as it was brightening nicely. Glorious, October colours, blue sky, scudding cloud, F2 / F3 wind causing a slight chop, enough to raise a bit of spray. There was me, a corporate hospitality cruising yacht who downed sails promptly at 5.00, a lake steamer and a passenger trip boat (Ms Cumbria type). Thats it. No canoes, no dinghies, no other sort of boat at all. As earlier comments have said, its not just quiet, its dead. Its as if the plague has struck. How has it come to this ? This is my lake, our lake, not their lake. I hope this isn't a taste of the future to come for all our rural areas.

andy
re mr jeffrey we have been saying for years that the speed limit is the thin edge of the wedge to get everyone off the lake. maybe its time for ALL lake users to get together and stop the rot.

Ken
To the mountain biker with the helpful suggestion - enjoy it while you can. The LDNPA will be after banning your hobby next.

dave
i just heard, a bit late, but anyway, i didn't know that the Windermere lake wardens went on strike for a day to protest about the foolish idea of a 10 mph speed limit, obviously they were worried about their jobs too!! they ought to be though, considering there's nothing on the lake now and nothing for them to do, maybe the LDNPA should save some money by making most of the wardens redundant, like a lot of other people in the area now!

d.b.jeffrey kendal
The last straw obviously for a lot of people! now they want us to pay by length of boat, so they can continue to police Windermere lake? There's nothing to police or control, there's nobody on the lake!!Now they are short of cash, for their mistake with the 10 mph! they now expect everyone to pay for it, as a fisherman with a boat on Windermere for many years i find this new charge insulting and biased, this charge, from what i gather, is for motor propelled boats only? so now the fishermen with boats have to vacate the lake as well, why oh why can't they just admit that they have got it all wrong, mind you it won't matter to me as i'm going to take my boat away from Windermere now as well, byeeeeeeeeee after many years..sad..

andy
if the lke is so enjoyable why is no one on it

Watersports Enthusiast
More enjoyable? For who? The lake is barely used any more!!!!

heather
i have been holidaying on windermere for 21years when my youngest daughter was 18 monthes old we camped in the surounding area we fell in love with the lake district we boated in a small rubber dinghey but longed to have a boat that we could enjoy as a family. we watched other boat users water ski and wanted to partisipate our yongest daughter was 7 when we purchased our first powerboat.as a family 3 girls and 1 man enjoyed years of learning and enjoying waterskiing as a woman i drove the boat and thougherley enjoyed it . now i have to endure my boating off the north sea which i find not safe and frightning at times.i would much prefer my boating to take place in the safe enviroment of lake windermere wich i have enjoyed for many years. i am not a testosterone charged holigan which i feel i am made out to be.

Alan Gray
Just look how much more enjoyable the Lake is now for everyone else. Fantastic.

GB
The LDNPA are running a compotation, Please see their Website. It’s inviting people to send significant photos taken in the Lakes, apparently Warts and All. You can email the images in. Every 3 month’s images will be chosen in category to be made into postcards. There must be thousands of photos out there of happy days of sports and families, our passion captured on film. Maybe we should all pick out our favourites and enter there compotation. I’ve just entered, wonder if I’ll win :)

GB
Please enough is enough Benjamin; you’re about 15 year’s to late to get embroiled in this debt. This forum is increasingly becoming a comfort zone for the many thousands of families, disabled organisations, passionate sporting groups, locals and business who have had their passion and livelihood taken away from them because of prejudice, spitefulness hidden agenda and incompetence. I have been visiting the lakes for the past 20 years, nearly every weekend during the summer months and now am banished, you really don’t understand how that feels and what that means. The LDNPA don’t want anyone in the Lake District. Please do your research and open your eyes. This is about Politics, Ego and Prejudice, not the environment.

andy
if Mr Legg had read the conclusions of the public enquiry he would see the inspector found no real environmental issues with power boating . The reason for the speed limit is to stop water-skiing and power boating as it dose not fit the image of the national parks. if he had listened in biology he would know that testosterone was a male hormone as with many family boats ours was frequently driven and enjoyed by my wife and daughters

Raymondo (Aged 67)
Benjamin - I passed A level maths but didn't know all about the subject, I obtained a degree in maths and still didn't know all about the subject. In fact I seem to have spent my life discovering that the more I knew the more there was to learn. What I do know now is that in matters concerned with science, technology, the environment and personal relationships there has to be compromise and sensible control. Prejudice brings bad law resulting in illogical controls and the failure to consider all aspects of a problem. The outcomes are poor solutions and conflict over matters which should command universal support. In the case of the LDNP, they have demonstrated policy-making born of arrogance, prejudice and incompetence. I too saw everything so clearly at 18yrs. You are right to express your beliefs as you do but just allow for a small possibility that solutions to problems which may seem messy to you are the way to proceed if everyone is to understand and support efforts to protect the environment. It is clear that the introduction of the 10 mph speed limit has persuaded a large number of alienated lake users to leave causing serious economic damage to the local community. In leaving they have also financially damaged the LDNP itself and therefore weakened their ability to competently protect the environment in their charge. No way can such an outcome be claimed to be the result of wise counsel.

Dave Burns
The sea may be an option for the few people who just want to race about as you put it, but to suggest it as a suitable venue to replace Windermere for water skiing is ludicrous. Windermere is not tidal, it has no strong currents there are no unmarked underwater obstacles there isn’t a barrage of floating debris it isn’t corrosive salt water and in the event of a breakdown you aren’t washed out to sea. Lives will be lost it sea as a direct result of this ban it’s not a case of if it’s simply a case of when As for your suggestion of turning to “real” boats the vast majority of people affected by this ban are towed water sports enthusiasts, the boat is just a means to an end. I don’t want to sail or play golf I’ll wait until I’m older to do that, I want the adrenalin rush from towed water sports.

ian wild
this ban is not about pollution etc. i have just received a letter fron the park reegarding licence fees for the future.they are to increase 3 fold in the space of three years.....i think the guy doesnt wish to speak to anyone. i asked one person at the office was this new fee based on length, for sail as well as power, thinking that if it was across the board, fair do'S.also seeing that nearlly all sailing boats have power as well as sail. he replied, i dont know. i will go and ask. he came back and said sheepishly that it was only relevant to power and they were subsidisng the fees for the first 3 years due to lost revenue. i rerplied that it is the park authority that lost the revenue, and the people of bowness, ambleside and windermere are the ones that are now suffering due to losses in revenue. i go to the marina every week for 2 - 3days, and my family follow up as well. my spend is £200-£250 every week on resteraunts food etc, and my 2 boys and their girlfriends etc spend their money on dining out and going to the pub.i have been going to the lakes with my family and freinds for over 40 years, and have been there also with my parents. my boat is up for sale, and i will not waste my time going there in the future. the place is dead.some one in the goverment should step in to this argument.i can sympathise with the jet skis being banned, some of the riders are inconsiderate for other lake users, and the majority are just teenagers.the lake authority will eventually ruin tourism in the lake district ...

ME
Any one from the WAF should get a life and get a mountain bike coz its just a lake and your eyes won't melt if you have to waterski in salt water so got to the coast

Ken
Oh come on - in response to recent comments - have the LDNPA made any effort to reduce or treat sewage discharged into the lake by pleasure cruisers or lakeside towns? Or agricultural runoff? Perhaps their efforts would be better spent on reducing these contributory factors to pollution, which another respondent has pointed out is already minor in Windermere. The resentment caused to wakeboarders, waterskiers, knee-boarders etc originates from the LDNPA's failure to deliver a management plan which does not prohibit these sports. Please note that practitioners of these sports travel at speeds between 20mph and 30mph on the lake surface. This is comparable to the maximum permitted speed for cars, motorcycles etc in built up areas!! Please also note that speedboats are far more maneouvrable and can stop in a shorter distance because of their hull design and water plane area. The Lomond and Trossachs National Park has recently proposed an amendment to their byelaws to extend the low speed area of Loch Lomond, but they are not aiming to ban these activities. A further example can be found in Loch Ken, similar in size to Windermere, with a small zone for powered sports greater than 10mph. The Loch accomodates sailors, anglers, swimmers, rowers and skiers/wakeboarders. There seems to be all round satisfaction with the set-up!! The Windermere ban has been pressed and enforced by a limited minority who cannot bear speedboats using the lake.

Chris
Mr Legg, most of your arguments in favour of the ban appear to be based on environmental issues, one that you haven’t taken into account is that fact that the imposed speed limit means that much larger wakes are created, this is because the craft will be travelling through the water, thus displacing a much larger amount of water than if they were planing on the water as happens at higher speeds (but I’m sure I don’t need to tell you this with you sailing experience). This in turn will obviously lead to more serious erosion of the banks of the lake. In addition to this, one of the numerous ideas so blatantly ignored by the LDNPA was for all registered boats to be subject to a MOT type test which in as well ensuring the craft were in no way polluting the lake would also provide another (much needed) source of revenue for the LDNPA. Another point to add to this is that many owners have recently been turning to LPG due to their increased running costs and maybe also because it’s more environmentally friendly! In reply to your comment about the testosterone fuelled maniacs who fly about at ludicrous speeds, the WAF, one of the major campaigners against the speed limit, were in favour of a limit of 30mph which would allow water sports enthusiasts to participate in their chosen sports, hardly ludicrous I think. I would also like to mention your point about getting out of “tins cans with engines in”. I too have participated in sailing amongst other water sports including surfing and windsurfing and would like to point out that we have to get out of these tin cans in order to participate in the perfectly legitimate but now on Windermere, illegal sport, of Wakeboarding (or Water Skiing) and to indicate that sailing is a “real” sport unlike the ones that we other water sports enthusiasts choose to pursue is yet another example of the elitist, dictatorial attitude of the LDNPA and those who support the ban.

john
18 years old and all that experience! Wow. i am thirty years older, done more sailing than Mr Legg and his mates, and have worked on powerboats and sailing boats for a living. they both require a different skill set for handling so get off your high horse! windermere supplies drinking water for the larger cities south of us so much for the pollution arguement! in 1999 the institute for fresh water ecology based on windermere, said that the water quality was the best it had been since records started post WW2. however--- i live here and have seen 6 of my friends lose their jobs as a direct result of the speed limit. only 1 has been reemployed locally! i will shortly lose my job too. Mr legg think before you spout such rubbish. at least i speak from a wealth of experience, not youthful idealism/extremism.

Stephen P Slater
I have had a boat on windermere now for around 8 years, I feel the lake is for everyone , not just sandwich packed walkers and sail boats! I myself windsurf , so I enjoy the lake for what it is! , No one has a right to play "GOD" the lake was given to use ALL to enjoy, this bylaw is wrong and needs removing , along with the pre-judgmental fools which "claim" to manage it! I could never be a park ranger or Lake warden, how do they sleep at night?? Unbelievable!!

Benjamin Legg
P.S. If National Parks weren't there primarily to protect the environment, and therefore their first concern would naturally be environmental, they wouldn't be there in the first place, and everything would be looked after by government, both national and local. As for bias, who isn't? Supporters are biased because they support the speed limit. People who are against the limit are biased because they hold the opposite view. They can't exactly think of themselves as impartial, nor can supporters!

Benjamin Legg
By no means did I suggest that petrol pollutants were the only means of water pollution. Agricultural pesticides and the leaching of nutrients from the soil of course are very significant. Also I did not suggest that people set out to deliberately pollute the lake. I'm not quite as pessimistic about human nature as all that! What I am saying though, is that small amounts of pollution add up. Rather like if you leave your light on. You can say that one more doesn't matter, but it does if lots of people think and act in the same way. Also, I'm not suggesting that we abandon all human achievement. Rather that we use our resources SUSTAINABLY-the key word throughout pretty much all of secondary school, and now degree, geography, which involves sacrifices for all of us. In order to preserve the natural environment of Lake Windermere, for all of us to enjoy, this would appear to be the case, in conjunction with concerns about the impact of tourism upon the natural environment e.g. Great Yarmouth!, noise (though I'm not particularly concerned with that), safety and the general aim to keep the wild as unspoiled as possible. You can of course disagree, and everyone is intitled to their opinion. But the fact is the limit is in place, and will hopefully remain so. As for change of venue for the actual sport, as opposed to, as I put in my original post, to the people who just tear around in speedboats, what's wrong with the sea? Plenty of room, many many times bigger than a lake, which means it has a far greater capacity than a lake for sustainable use. Don't bother sending messages about the danger of the sea. I've sailed on it myself and know it can be dangerous, but it can also be benign. Or, just transfer from power boats to real boats, with some accomplishment involved to handle.

J
I live in Penrith and work in Keswick, since the ban I have not been to Windermere nor intend to!! Between the five people I owned a boat with we spent 4k+ a year, now...... NOT A PENNY. LDPNA short of money, you know what to do dont you!!! Sort (yourselves) out and help all those shops, hotel etc by bringing back the much needed tourists.

Benjamin Legg
In reference to algae, if anyone thinks I'm contradicting myself, water pollution, as has been seen through acid rain, changes the pH level of the water, making the habitat more suitable for different, and usually reduced, numbers of species. In other words, nature reacts to man-made as well as natural conditions, something that in general, we have to watch out for a lot more!

Dave Burns
Benjamin You too appear to have completely missed the point, most of the people posting comments on here don’t or didn’t just race up and down the lake polluting everything in sight just for the hell of it as you misguidedly believe. They were water sports enthusiasts who morn the loss of exhilarating sports like skiing, wakeboarding & knee boarding, sports which they cannot now continue at another venue as no other venue exists. Yes you are correct in your statement that “nature was there before the internal combustion engine” but what would you have us do abandon our cars uninvent the wheel go back to living in caves. I’m afraid you fall in to the same box as all the other supporters of the ban, ill informed and biased. Perhaps you should apply for a job with the LDNPA ...

Benjamin Legg
To add argument upon argument, what do the people who are against the speed limit, and residents of the LDNP, think that it is their for? Hasn't anyone noticed that in the world today, humans have a frightening propensity to destruction of our planet in general? If humankind makes Earth uninhabitable, we will destroy ourselves into the bargain. Therefore, the debate about the purpose of the LDNP can be seen as a microcosm of the wider world (a.k.a. Lord of the Flies). It is there to protect its area of control from human wanton destruction, and help show us that the natural world is more beautiful, more varied and more precious than anything we can create. That is why people who live and use the Lake District must put their own personal, material, (dare I say petty) concerns aside and realise that they must come second to the greater good of the Lake District's natural ecosystem, the human race and our great planet. Lest we neglect... Just thank your lucky stars that you don't live in the USA, where nobody is allowed to live in its many wonderful National Parks, dare I say for the best?

L. Barker
The algal bloom in Windermere arrives annually in the Spring, lasts for a couple of weeks then goes. It has done so for the last fifty years to my direct knowledge, probably forever. It is how the lake works and is a minor spectacle in its own right. Windermere is not, and never has been,'polluted'. There have been times in the more recent past when nutrient levels (nitrogen, phosphorus etc.) have been higher than the norm, but these have been caused by the growing (tourist)populations of the surrounding towns and villages and the poor treatment of sewage effluent as well as past intensive farming techniques. Now both largely remedied one could add.

Mick Lockwood
In response to Mr Legg. Get off your soap box and look at the facts. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. I wish I was eighteen again with an idealistic change the world attitude. The LDNPA are incompetent and are destroying the Lake District. Go away and do some proper research, talk to real people affected not only be the speed limit but by every other crack pot, prejudice rule and regulation the LDNPA bulldoze though. And if you still feel the same way, I suggest you get your name down for the LDNPA you should fit in well!!!

David Bancroft
With respect Benjamin, an A Level in Geography does not make one an expert in aqautic ecology. Further research will show you that the vast majority of pollution in Windermere and indeed the Broads is from agriculture. Also, the National Park is there to protect the economic well being of an area, not just it's environment. Just for your info, whilst petroleum based pollutants from boats DO exist, the inspector found no issues with pollution in Windermere. It remains one of the cleanest lakes in the area. Further, fast boats oxygenate the water far more than slow moving craft. Further still, pertoleum-based pollutants have a residancy time in the water that is measured in hours, not weeks or months like the nitrate run-off from farm land. Please do some more research. It would make a good dissertation for your degree if you could lose your bias.

Anon
Benjamin When you have finished being a student and have a real grip and idea about the world we live in I think your views will change. We do not live in a perfect world all the other lakes in the area are protected. Winderemere prior to the limit attracted big money to the area year in year out, this cash has now gone as walkers and sailing boats do not bring the same money to the area. If you dont believe me ask the locals their are suffering. In fact the LDNPA is suffering as it is £100K short this year due to the ban. Im sure your A level in geography covered "Human geography" as well I know mine did. PS A lake full of Alge natural or not is of no use to anyone (Thats what a degree in Ecology and Conservation will teach you).

Benjamin Legg
Before anybody says anything about my first post (at time of writing) not published), algae is not water pollution. The colonisation of the lake by algae is evidence of natural organisms filling an ecological niche. In other words nature was there long before the internal combustion engine! Water pollution via the internal combustion engine DOES happen and does damage the environmental quality of bodies of water, as has been seen in the Norfolk Broads, where I have sailed since I was little. (I put yachting in the first post, to see how many people would take me as some kind of upper class playboy. Did I get you? The moral-never judge by appearences.) Anyway, the Broads were once crystal clear but became polluted through the over use and speed of motor cruisers, with the result that they became a shadow of their former selves in terms of beauty and ecology. Now people have realised this, the Broads are being painstakingly restored to being an amazing haven for wildlife. One of the results of water pollution was the vast increase in algae on the Broads, which probably explains why algae is appearing on Lake Windermere. Do we really want the lakes to end up becoming as badly polluted as the Broads were? Also, if you must you tinpots with engines in, what's wrong with a leisurely 10mph? On the Broads the maximum is 6mph (for motor boats), nobody has any problems and the Broads are very popular.

Francis
A char fishing boat (with an outboard) will now have to pay a much higher fee to the LDPNA for using the lake than my old speed boat. Looks like the remaining lake users (all 6 of them) will be off too !

Benjamin Legg (Aged 18)
Most of the people who have commented seem to completely miss the point. The primary reason for the LDNPA is to protect the environmental quality of the Lake District! Not something testostorone fuelled power boat users contribute to. The speed limit protects Lake Windermere and other lakes against water pollution, noise pollution and maniacs who like to drive around at ludicrous speed. Therefore the LDNPA is perfectly right to do its duty and police speed limits on the lakes. Can't the "water sports enthusiasts" enjoy the lakes in a sustainable manner (I did A-level Geography so I know all about this subject) and as Alfred Wainwright, and the kids from Arthur Ransome's books did, go quietly walking on the fells or take up yachting, a real sport with a point, and get out of the "tin cans with engines in"?

Raymondo
As a local who passes the lake frequently and before retirement worked on the shore of Winderemere, do I see a lake that is tranquil? No, I see a lake that was, until the ban, full of life and activity but is now dying if not yet dead. No doubt the strange people who are the decision makers in the LDNPA claim this as a triumphant result of their deliberations. Their mismanagement of that organisation has resulted in an economic disaster for those whose employment depended on the full but sensibly controlled recreational use of a national asset. It is unsurprising and ironic therefore that the finances of that same organisation have suffered badly as a result of their spectacular self-inflicted shot in the foot. No doubt the already heavily burdened taxpayer will have to bail them out - no such luck for those whose jobs have been sacrificed by the LNDPA on the altar of prejudice and self satisfaction. The title of their mission statement should be "Don't confuse us with facts we have made up our minds".

James Richards
Loch Lomond registration is free and we have superb launching facilities which cost nothing to use. LDNPA have a lot to learn from one of the newest National Parks in the UK. True there is a proposal to impose a speed limit here too but only across a section of the Loch. All that said, no matter how good Lomond becomes, I would be back to Windermere like a shot.

Dave Bennison
I went to Windermere for the first time since the ban this weekend (I refused to spend any money not even on parking!). What a sad place, where has the life gone both the town and the lake seemed empty compared to previous years. I went into Shepards and we were the only people in the shop! Come on LDNPA you are not doing the area any favors.

Haley
I love wkeboarding i think we should have it in sterling Kansas

Mick Lockwood
Its true WAF got very little support, I attended a court case expecting hundreds of people and there were only a handful. I really don’t think people realize what a powerful effect the protests have.

Bob
I live in West Cumbria and I USED to visit Windermere regularily to enjoy the lake and watch the antics of some of the skiers and power boats but since the ban I have not bothered to visit the place because it is getting just like Blackpool noisy and full of drinking teenagers. I now visit Loch Lomond area instead. Losss to Windermere district around £2500 a year.

WAF Supporter
WAF went quiet because it was being funded by one person out of his own pocket with donations and help by only ten's of people, not hundreds. You need to get in touch...

Anon
There sees to be an awful lot of people who are against the ban, but nobody seems to be organising any protest etc anymore. The winderemere action force did a fantastic job but they seem to have gone quiet. Does anyone know of any protests or the latest news etc as the WAF website has not been updated for months

David Gaunt
Can anybody put an accurate figure on the loss of revenue caused by the ban.Also is it possible to measure the effect on local businesses honestly and sensibly.I cant imagine that this ban has helped anyone locally as on a recent trip the lake was deserted and all the jettys at Ferry Nab were taken up by yachters who spent the whole day sitting on their boats and chatting to one another. Not good for business! I guess the local economy must be millions rather than thousands down and I would also think that an awful lot of people feel very dissapointed and angry with the people who fought for this ban in order to make the lakes 'their own private playground'. These people are nothing better than the bullies we are supposed to be so down on in this country. I will not be selling my boat as I am certain that this ban will either be overturned or completely ignored in the very near future.

Frank W.
As in the low flying debate - I say to the supposed wise leaders of the LDNPA Quango - If you don't like it here (& we traditional lake users do) - GO AWAY - We don't want you & your barking ideas.

andy again
This is an extract from the nationl park website is this the next step towards banning everybody from the lake Starting on 19 September, the Lake District National Park Authority survey aims to find areas of underwater plants, known as macrophytes, in Windermere. The information will be used to help assess planning applications for boat moorings and lake developments

andy
re chriss Why start to look for people with common sense for the national park authority now?

jenni wilson
14 years old been watersking for 5 years and now had to sell our speed boat and no more watersking or family trips to the lake district! how would you feel?

R Eally
Ronald, you got your arm chopped off next year? I don't think so. As a regular lake user it would have made the news.

Dave Burns
Ronald: Like most supporters of the ban you make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Can I suggest some extracurricular reading and writing lessons?

Watersports Enthusiast
To Anon Again - just read your response. Apologies for any misunderstanding. Down with the ban!!

Anonymous
Ronald are you for real? You got your arm 'chopped' off by a Speed Boat? When and how did this happen and who was responsible. The safety record on the lake is impeccable, thanks to the Wardens and the good behaviour of the vast majority of lake users. If indeed you did get your arm ‘Chopped’ off I would encourage you to question the position of the LDNPA in its neglect and brick wall approach in implementing any sort of regulation or compulsory training over the last 20 years. In fact if your claim is true you have good grounds for litigation and I’d encourage you to pursue it, the way things are going in our area your grandsons going to need all the financial support he can get if he’s planning on staying in our economically and culturally suicidal region.

ronald
i live in windermere and i am totally for the ban, as i got my arm chopped off next year by i speed boat while i was fishing and got mowed down by a speed boat going very excessive speeds. i am also a grand parent and it is a very stressful time taking my grand children to the lake while i know that speed boats are flying around the lake and could cause serious damage.

Anon Again
To Water Sports Enthusiast - Early Sunday am, Mickleden + Claife Heights, anytime. Ok higher up though. The gist of my sarky note was geared around the fact that my favourite pastime or sport has been banned, so therefore other activities which have an impact on the environment & others should also be banned. (ergo, all tourist and leisure activites should be banned also ?)To end on a slightly more realistic note I would call most strongly for a managed solution for the use of the lake, although how one can get the call answered is difficult to see. I was out on the lake yesterday evening, completely empty bar trip boats or 'wavers' as we used to call them. (because they made the biggest waves when I was a little lad 40 years ago). What a shame, its not just quiet, its dead.

Sad Man
Just sold the sport boat & bought a second hand Ferrari. Loss to lakes - about £10k per year all in. Big Mistake LDNPA, and I'm local.

Watersports Enthusiast
With reference to the anonymous comment about mountain bikers being ever present and spoiling the fun of ramblers, could he define which trails he goes walking on where he finds such disturbance? I have enjoyed wakeboarding on Windermere since 2003 till this ridiculous ban came into force, but have also spent a lot of time "reflecting" and enjoying the "tranquility" while walking the fells, and can't say I have ever seen many, if any mountain bikers on the walking paths!!

Ken
Well, it's obvious that the LDNPA still aren't listening to or observing what's going on. It disgusts me that they treat the National Park as their private domain and feel no obligation to foster co-operation and goodwill between "stakeholder groups", as their literature would doubtless refer to park users.

concerned
Such a shame, the minority non users of the lake have decided the fate of the users who paid for the privilage, the business`s that rely on the revenue, the local`s that rely on the employment ....and for what. My understanding is there was already zoning , speed limits etc in many areas of the lake .. It is certainly quiet now and this will continue ..You have destroyed the very thing that made windi unique ..Welldone! as for the tourists and there money .. off to the coasts or scotland never to return

Dave Burns
If their 100K down this year wait untill next year. A lot of people myself included who reregistered this year to use the boat until March, wont be registering again next year

Chris
Anyone with a bit of common sense fancy a new job? National Park Authority looking for new members The search is on to find three new members to serve on the Lake District National Park Authority from next spring... The Government is looking for people whose background will enable them to give a national voice and perspective. National Park members work to ensure the conservation and enhancement of natural beauty, wildlife and cultural heritage of the area, and to help improve public understanding and enjoyment of their area. The LDNPA has 26 members, including the seven Secretary of State appointed members, seven Cumbria County Council representatives, seven district council representatives and five parish representatives.

John H
Just off to Scotland for 2 weeks, end of the session. Budget between us for about 2500 quid. Should be on Windermere. Sickening. I see the LDNPA are down by 100,000 quid on registrations. And I thought they told us registrations were up at the start of the year. Well the money will have to come from somewhere either, shutting toilets or not repairing jetties. Or they could just sacrifice safety instead. Seems everyone’s a loser. What a mess.

Nick
I've just read that the National Park Authority have a £100,000 shortfall in funding because, according to Mick Casey, of the drop in income from the loss of the revenue from speed boat registrations. They are now having to make cuts in other areas. They have been saying over and over again that businesses have had 5 years to plan for this - have they not had the same 5 years???

Jeff Colligan
Just read that the NWDA have given Millom area £1m grant to create 40 jobs ! Super gesture - but perhaps the area could have saved the jobs naturally by not bringing in what seems a ridiculous speed ban on Windermere. I am not a boater - but pouring grant money is not an answer you fools. Just look at how much has been spent on Liverpool in grant aid over the years for a clue ! (I am a time served economist) Good luck

Schuey
The ban is a disgrace, imagine the uproar if we decided to ban rugby or football instead. That'll probably be next on the enviromentalists lists. [Begin Sarcasm] "That poor blade of grass! We can't allow this mindless destruction anymore!" [End Sarcasm] Its an absolute disgrace, some people have got to find their common sense.

Dave Burns
Another Bank Holiday looming and another big pot of tourists revenue that wont be heading to the Lake District.

Anonymous
So the LDNPA plan a meeting to decide whether or not to put the Lake District forward as a World Heritage Site. World Heritage being the real reason for the10mph discrimination. This meeting is being held because it cannot afford the £350,000 simply for the first part of the application. Let’s ask the Question WHY? Why do we need this? What Benefits will it have? Who actually wants it? Isn’t this just another step closer to a small minority taking over the whole area? The fact is we don’t need this! We can’t afford this? Thousands have been banished because of it, the region is on its knees, the economy is crippled, nothing has been developed over the last 20 years all because of a handful of egotistical idealists can pat themselves on the backs and say look World we might have destroyed and suppressed everything we had but hay were a World Heritage Site. The Lakes isn’t a relic like the Great Wall or the Pyramids, we don’t need to attract more tourists like the Tower Of London so WHY? Before we shell out another £350,000 and countless other millions on this non-sense let’s have some better road crossings, let’s build some public toilets, let’s have a disabled water sports centre, let’s support local business, let’s build jetties and better facilities for all lake users. The LDNPA said there was no money to adopt a managed solution on Windermere yet it finds ways to waste hundreds of thousands every year. Its time we had an elected body running our region before everything that makes it special is destroyed trying to gain useless recognition from the rest of the world. NO MORE FLD and LDNPA and more REAL PEOPLE !!!

JIHR
Businesses are really hurting. Come on wake up and overturn the ban!!!

Motor Boater
As a break from Motor Boating at 10 mph my family and myself decided to go for a walk and enjoy the peace and tranquility that the LDNPA so strive for . We walked from our Marina to Ferry Nab only to be nearly run down by 16 Harley Davidsons who drownded out the ability even to communicate . On the other side of the lake we struggled past the waiting cars with radios/cds/dvds playing loudly only to be greeted by a Jazz Band playing on one of the Lake Ferries . Funnily enough we watched the power boats on the lake and could hardly hear them . Come on LDNPA - you exercise double standards and have killed this lake , ruined the local economy ( we know because we have just stayed in one of the larger hotals for a week) and are now driving people away who care for and spend ( like me) many thousands of pounds a year in the area . What also amazes me is that despite the fact we write to you with coherent arguements - you do not even give us the courtesy of a reply - it is totally ! shameful - believe me you and the Windermere area will ultimately pay the price.

John
I have given the lake several months paid my fees broke the speed limit every week. But the place isnt the same thats why my family is leaving. Buying a Chalet in Abersoch. So bye to the people of Windermere and Bowness and good luck in the future, you have been part of my family's life for over 20 years and you will be missed.

Stuart Pieri
P Solver, could you please remind the walkers that ramble past my house on the upper lake road 3 miles from Bowness every Saturday and Sunday that they are ONLY there for the peace and quite of the area. Could you please ask them to not shout to the people in their group who have wandered ahead as it disturbs my 'contemplation' resulting in me only been able to 'reflect' on the fact that one of their kids has just dropped an empty crisp packet under my hedge. Lets see, what would i prefer to see and hear from my garden? The hum of a speedboat thats just filled up with £120 of petrol at the local marina or the dreary tones of some rambler who has just bought 75p worth of Kendal mint cake to go with their packed lunch from home? The plain and simple fact is that our area needs the money that the 'petrolheads' bring. Yes maybe more walkers are coming to the area, but all the walkers in the U.K could not and would not be able to make up the £7million a year in lost revenue we face. Your obviously not local Mr Slover, if you were you would realise that if your desires become reality it could only result in the fragile economic balance of the area being tipper over the edge. Or maybe you are local to the area and you want to see your friends(?), family and neighbours unemployed or struggling to keep thier buisness going. I just hope people like you and thoese responsable for the ban will be able to sleep at night WHEN (not if) a former lake registered skiier, forced to the coast to persue thier intrests loses thier life at sea. Come on people, for the love of god see sense. We can offer some of the most affluant people in the U.K a safe place to enjoy thier pass time and we are telling them to spend thier money elswhere, its just madness. The LDNP is plenty big enought for everybody to enjoy thier own intrests without spoiling other peoples fun. With a little bit of tolerance and some organisation Lakeland could once again thrive. As it stands, small mindedness is driving people away from and crippling argubly the most beautiful part of the world.

Gaz B
Ban everybody, ban every single hard working tax payer, whose family members died in two wars for freedom, just so you can feel good about yourselves and get World Heritage recognition, its pathetic the whole place has become so intolerant, prejudice and genrally up itself. It’s so depressing. So if you’re a walker well you’re a good person, but if you’re young and full of life and not waiting for the grave then no, you’re just not welcome. This whole region is run by snobs who really believe that there is this huge problem, and there isn’t, if this is the case the problem is your neighbour, your friend your own family. Maybe the FLP and LDNPA should break the Lakes away from the rest of the country and declare independence, start environmentally cleansing, deport everybody and only admit true believers into their little club.

Anon
Traipsed around the hills & dales over the weekend, quietly, so quietly they creep up on you, not a ring-a-ding ding or a toot-toot-toot. Mountain Bikers - every minute ! Ban 'em, Hang 'em High !

Anonymous
In response to P. Solver, I have visited the Lakes for the last 30 years I have Walked Climbed, Sailed, Attended International Trails Events, and Water Skied. I have lived Life in the Lake District, I am not waiting to Die, and I do not want Silence and Solitude. The Lake District is a spectacular natural resource which should be free from prejudice, discrimination and be properly managed and open to everyone. Once you banish and brand local people and visitors you begin to destroy the natural balance, culture and Heritage never mind the economy. I suspect P. Solver you need to break from your Solitude and begin to live a little before it’s too late.

Dave Burns
Yes lets all hug the trees, who care about the local economy in freefall. Lets cater for the people who bring their own flask and sandwiches spend nothing and go home.

Alan Marsh
I live in Windermere and have a business in the National Park, I did not water ski, or own a speed boat. I think the ban is a disgusting abuse of power by an unelected and unaccountable body, who have another agenda which they hide from all - self agrandisment by making the Lake District a World Heritage Site. The boats on Windermere paid their way in the form of registration fees. The limited number of launch sites and the registration process mean that boat owners can be brought to account - and have been via the courts when it was found to be necessary! Walkers on the other hand are being given more and more rights (the CROW Act) are causing damage which is costing HUNDREDS of thousands of pounds to put right (eroded paths) and are not required to account for their movements, nor brought to book when they leave litter or damage a wall or turf. The respondant who asked "Who would want to pollute the lake?" should research his subject. It was not pollution which was given as the reason for banning power boats, nor do they have chemical toilets which they empty into the lake. This week, a family had to be rescued when their canoe was overturned by wash - with no powerboats in sight! Finally, the National Park Authority have recently placed restrictions on Bassenthwaite Lake - with a permit now being required for Canoeists - WHY? Because they have been canoeing through reed beds, causing damage to the fragile ecology. Get off your high horse, and start getting a grasp of reality!!!!

S Wilson
Now that all of the lakes are closed to powerboats and watersports it leaves nowhere for powerboats and every single lake for tranquility. This is a very unfair balance and means that watersports and powerboats and all of the economic benfits have been thrown out of the lakes district and that is a very foolish thing to do.

P. Slover
Part of the E.U.'s definition of what a national park should be is a place of "quiet enjoyment". Thank goodness we have got rid of the peace-wrecking brigade on Lake Windermere once and for all. Now lets concentrate our efforts on all the trial bikes and 4 x 4s that are churning up the fells and making life miserable for the whole ecology, not least the walkers who come to the Lake District for peace, quiet, solitude, reflection, contemplation and the awesome beauty that is here.

Anonymous
In an Article by David Thornton on the LDNPA website, he admitted they have a problem with peoples perception of the organisation. Finally somebody is beginning to recognise that you can’t treat people in this way without repercussion. He stated that this relationship needs to be improved, the only way this is going to happen is if he admits that the LDNPA have got the issue of the speed limit totally wrong and begin to discuss a managed solution. But with a statement like ‘One of our biggest problems is our image. It needs improving’ Followed by ‘The Windermere speed limit is now successfully in place’ it looks like the same old spin is the order of the day. Let’s see what he has to say as businesses start to collapse. Records week moves to Coniston, and Gerald Price requests a public meeting to discuss the future of disabled water sports on Windermere.

mark smurthwaite
I have been holidaying at Winderemere for over 30 years. It was a safe and clean environment to bring my children, who have both learned to ski here. Now we have been forced into open sea they can no longer enjoy the sport because they is no one policing it. I understand the need to police Windermere better, maybe by time limiting the use for watersport or zoning off areas for it. The majority of Lake users are considerate but,on the rare occasion problems do occur it is usaually by narrow minded snobs who think they own the lake, and are usually under sail, not power.

Ken
While I think that good sense will prevail, eventually, and waterski-ing/ wakeboarding will be permitted on Windermere again, I don't hold out much hope of a change of heart without intervention from government. The LDNPA and FOLD don't want us there. At all.

David Bennison
I have just seen The Times 1st Aug Edition. It now seems the Tourist Board & local businesses know why tourism and spending are dramaticaly down. When will the LDNPA start to realise or care!!!!!!!! Come on let us back on Windermere and we will bring our money back to The Lake.

Anonymous
The Daily Times Page 23 'Windermere limits speed-and tourists' Cheered up my Monday Morning !

Andy Dickens
Just back from another long weekend in Wales. I bet the Scottish & Welsh Tourist Boards just love the LDNPA.

Woody
The 1978 Three Lakes Enquiry dismissed.A public enquiry with lake wardens excluded from taking part.Best practise as per the Norfolk Broads dismissed. Independant enquiry dismissed.The list goes on, and the LDNPA seem to have got away with it-blimey. You would have thought that before these self appointed idealists railroad such decisions through, they would HAVE to explore all information and alternatives-even talk to people, especially when these peoples established freedoms and livelyhoods are being destroyed.Our small, overpopulated island should have it's resourses shared by all-is it that unreasonable to want the managed use of just one Lake, I don't think so. Lets face it, even the few who actually agree with the limit should be worried by the tactics employed by the LDNPA,it could be your livelyhood or passtime that interferes with their idea of Utopia next. So what to do?. It must surely be time for this self appointed body of idealists to be replaced with an elected group from a wide cross section of the community.

Mick Lockwood
Missed out on the Air Show this year as we headed off to Loch Lomand for a long weekend. If you can handle the journey it’s a fantastic place. Free registration, Free to launch, great people and very quite. Spoke to loads of people up there, Business owners and all sorts of lake users. Seems nobody expects a blanket ban to come into force or even to be applied for, just a lowering of the speed limit around the islands which is fare enough. Seems Loch Lomand and the elected powers which govern it have had a little more sense and foresight then the LDNPA. They seem to be tolerant and less prejudice. Let’s just hope that after the true Impact of the Windy Ban has come to light and the Lomand considered sensible approach reflected on, the LDNPA come to there sense’s and give us all our access back.

John
Im back skiing on Windermere I dont beleive in the bylaw so why should i stop. I bet all of the people for the ban speed in their cars. And what is the fine for breaking the bylaw ?. You hear threats of £500 but has anybody been prosecuted yet ? I know several people who have been warned one of them 4 times.

Ken
How on earth is this possible? A significant minority of traders in the Bowness area reporting reduced takings since the ban, and all the LDNPA and Westmoreland Gazette offer is platitudes about how there have been 5 years to adjust!! How on earth do we adjust away from our chosen sports? The only way this can be done is to leave the area, or sell boats and ski/board at the few clubs in the North West, none of which will lead to replacement of the lost revenue. As repeatedly stated by myself and other respondents to this page, the Windermere area was THE highest yielding area of the National Park, and this was largely due to the many thousands that powered watersports practitioners spent in the area before this nonsensical, vindictive and counter-productive ban was put into place!

Fed-Up
In agreement with 99% of posts below... Have been skiing since I was six. A family pursuit. Lived in Ambleside my whole life. Would water ski after school / work five times a week minimum weather permitting. Never once been in an altercation with any other lake user. Ok, so I've had five years to get used to the idea. So? I made the most of those times by skiing as much as I could! What now? Do I get a noisy great Harley powered by four-stroke and tear round on it? Do I aim to get an ASBO in as short a time as possible, and claim my innocence as I'm bored... find the LDNPA guilty? Hey... not a bad idea!! Life is different now. I thought I'd be teaching grandkids my sport. I'm thoroughly fed-up, of course, got lots of other interests, mountain biking, etc, but when I see that big, empty, quiet, dying stretch of calm water in front of me... Night skiing you say?! Hmmm! (Rumour's rife that 5am is a good time too!) Theatre by the Lake? Have you heard the racket those thespians make?! Truth is, the public only have true and free access to 3% of the lake shore... not a lot! The rest is either privately owned, or owned by authorities such as Forestry Commission, who do not have a legal obligation to ensure the access is permitted 100% for eternity. Give us the water at least. The Lake's dying - as much as the economy is around it. Why is Windermere / Bowness / Ambleside the honeypot of the Lakes? Why is Coniston / Glen Ridding quieter? There was only one difference... now there's none.

Nick
Cumbria Tourist Board have now said that millions are being lost to the area and that they have had 10,000 fewer enquiries to their tourist information centres. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/4702639.stm We knew this would be the impact, we said it all along. Someone HAS to stop the LDNPA before they kill the area for ever!

David Bennison
Just found out that Mr M Bently has stepped down as the Head of the LDNPA. One of the major reasons given quoted was beacause of his unpopular 10mph speed limit on Windermere and the knock on effect of a down turn in business. Maybe this is a chink of light at the end of the tunnel and if pressure is kept up Waterskiing could make a return to windermere.

Motor Boat User (Local)
Thank you RAF, a great display by the red arrows & especially the Tornado, a most exhilarating sight in these uncertain & troubled times. Pity the schedule was a bit hit & miss & we couldn't whizz back up the lake, hobbled by the ban as it were.

Lorna Davenport
Me and my boyfriend came up to the lake Windermere a couple of weeks ago. Its dead ! We were dissapointed that all the boats have gone and fun people. No fun young people about just "oldies". A lot of our friends used to come up camping but we have decided to go to Wales - Abersoch. You are all daft and have spoilt a great place.

Dorothy Taylor
I came up on Sunday to see the airshow - its seems that the Cumbrian authorities have their heads in a twist ! Roaring aeroplanes all day - allowed ! - but no boats because of the 10mph ban - how mad is that ! And apart from the Red Arrows - what airshow - we used to see all sorts of planes from Spitfires to Lancaster bombers - but this year it was hopeless ! The whole atmosphere of the place has gone down hill - and many people on the grass bank were saying the same. Get a grip Cumbria ! Not all tourists and visitors to your area want to see ducks and feed swans ! Some used to come to a fun and vibrant Bowness - its gone ! Won't be back for a long time. Dorothy

Chris Boardley
I believe the ban has just been imposed due to a minority of well-to-do people who 'have the right' to enjoy the piece and quiet! It has also had a dramatic effect on the Windermere/Bowness economy and has destroyed it's atmosphere! We were promised Windermere Lake would always be open for us when they banned moter-boats etc on coniston waters! An unfair and pointless ban!

Tony Perkins
I firmly believe the speed limit has had a devastating effect on the tourist industry and as a regular lake user it is my opinion that the "lake" is big enough to accomodate all types of watercraft,(maybe not jet bikes etc as they are actually designed to be used on the sea). PS Myself and my partner are both yacht users.

Speeder
Hi Adam, thanks for the tip. Night time skiing here I come!

Carol Marlow
We sold our ski boat at a great loss and bought a small cruiser to continue to enjoy the lake. But now all our drink and food is brought up with us for the weekend and we spend very little money in the local shops now. We don't bother going into Bowness anymore - no atmosphere ! More entertaining elswhere now. We have tried the lake with a 10mph limit. We won't be here next year - sorry - .

Lewis Hargreaves
nine years ago when I was 11 I was hit by a car and suffered serious injuries. I was on life support for two weeks. For 18 months after I could not walk or talk and had to learn again. Now i am disabled. My dad has been boatingand skiing on Windermere and it has been a great place for family and friends to spend their time. I learned to ski again at Lowwood. Dad also brought up dissadvantaged and disabled children to have a fun day out in a safe but fun place. The ban has killed that. So much fun we had in the speedboat - you see - we cant walk and get up those lovely hills like you others can. We cant row, we cant sail or windsurf even. But we all enjoyed having a bit of safe fun that many other teenagers get from life but is so scarce for people like me. A big big thanks to the people who have put the speed limit in place - thanks for thinking about others to enjoy the lakes - but have a go at swopping places with me - !

Adam Shaw
my brother-in-law has a yacht on windermere and most weekends we spend sleeping on board. we welcome the speed restrictions however after dark you find that the motor boats will continuesly break the limit as the wardens have left for the night and there boats cant be identified from the bank. thus making it extremely difficult to get a peacful night sleep.

Mike Frost
It's nice and quiet on the lake, now all we need to do is ban the tourists and it will be tranquil in bowness to!!

Ken
This ban is truly disgusting and driven by an intolerant minority. What on earth can be done to bring this quango to the table and convince them that practicing wakeboarding or waterskiing at 20 - 30 mph does not damage the environment, causes limited wash, hardly any noise at the lakeshore, and frankly isn't the bane of life in the Lake District that it is portrayed to be?

Tom Atodip
Not only have the LDPNA stripped Windermere of the most family oriented traditional pursuit but as written about in the local paper for the past couple of weeks they are hell bent on stopping the RAF from any low flying, and even banning the signs advertising the Ambleside Sports, the most traditional local event of all. Honestly, who appoints these people to this Quango, & how can we get rid of them and their intolerant agenda ?

Watersports Enthusiast
This ban starts to look more and more vindictive with passing time when it is considered that the new byelaws for Lomond propose adopting spatial zones for powered watersports. I do hope that the incoming chairman of the LDNPA and the new MP for the area may lead discussions on a managed solution which does not exclude waterskiing and wakeboarding from the Lake District.

Dave Burns
Ahh the tranquility of all those people not being there and not spending their money must be truly gratifying to the LDNPA ...

David Higgs
LDPNA have acted totally against the public interest, and renaged against the three lakes agreement. They should be stripped of their powers.

Daren Hart
I am a speed boat owner but have friend who own ailing craft, i was on the lake a matter of five weeks ago sailing in south lake and a large cruiser passed us which was following the limit, but the wake created caused us quite a problem as it was quite large, when in a small sailing craft of 19ft you do not need or want large wake, we never really had a big problem with wake size pre speed limit.

Bob
I would like to ask LDNPA and FLD if they are now happy!!!! Traders in bowness now going to the wall !! WELL DONE. My sales have gone down by 35% from march to july compared to last year. they wanted it peacfull, well is dead good enough for you.

L. Barker
Presumably the LDPNA will continue the quest for world heritage status and move to the next phase, the removal of moorings and eradication of house boats, ie those remaining ?

GB
Sent this to the LDNPA today lets see if I get anything back ??? Hi There Just a quick note to please ask you to stop the Propaganda Ref: WINDERMERE BYELAW LOOKS LIKE A WINNER Ref: Last swipe at Lake's speed protesters There isn't a person out there in the whole of the Northwest Pro or Anti Ban who doesn't see it as just that 'PROAGANDA' It's really embarrassing so stop it and start being honest. The Ban has destroyed the Sprit of the Lake, the Heritage and the Economy, of this there is no doubt. Start to put things right before you go down in history. Yours Regrettably Mick Lockwood

Dave Burns
GB don’t you know that sport in the UK “is” football! Nothing else gets anything more than a foot note on the back pages. We have multiple world champion skiers, power boat racers & motorbike racers in this country and 98% of the population couldn't name any of them. Far better to pass the time sat on your ass watching football with a burger in your hand than to actually participate in an exhilarating sport.

G B
We should all be celebrating our countries fantastic success in being awarded the Olympics. And for those of us who have a passion for Wakeboarding and Waterskiing we should be growing our young talent and encoring young talent around the world, to come together on the UK’s largest inland Lake, planning a week of demonstrations for both able-bodied and disabled powered water sports, establishing it as an Olympic event. But instead my sport and that of thousands of others is dead, because of narrow minded prejudice. Sport in the UK? ‘Yer Right’ It’s a disgrace.

andy
i have today sent the folowing to the LDNP with all your coments atached Are we supposed to believe this rubbish as a government department you should be ashamed of publishing such narrow minded propaganda I have also pasted several opinions from a BBC website the majority disagreeing with what you are saying

Chris
Are the International Olympic Committee who decided that the Olympics are coming to Great Britain in 2012 aware they have awarded the games to a country which allows family sports and activities to be criminalised? I think not. So we need to let know - Go to their website and leave a message.

David Gaunt
The sad fact of this whole sorry case is that someone in the LDNPA has their own interests at heart and has been prepared to ruin the enjoyment of many others who have behaved in a fair and responsible manner for many years on Windermere. We are constantly warned against 'bullying' these days however the LDNPA has set a fine example to us all of just what can be achieved by crushing an opponent without playing fair. My typical day on the lake used to be as follows, Me (44) My Missus (40) and our two children (10 and 8)launch at ferry nab and sail around the island opposite at 10mph to enjoy the tranquility and the other boats etc.Then its out beyond the speed limit for a bit of skiing or a bit exhileration!. Then up to waterhead at 10 MPH for a drift around the boats whilst we had lunch, engine off.The afternoon was spent with a mixture of cruising skiing and sunbathing.We often had to rescue or tow in stranded rental motorboats (4,one season).We would then go back to ferry nab, tie up and walk into bowness for a meal/beer/ice cream/coffee etc before retrieving the boat and setting off home, happy to have spent some time together in a common pursuit of innocent sport and enjoyment.Does this sound like the behaviour of a disruptive family intent on causing a nuisance to others. Just live and let live and stop being so very selfish. Remember, you get more out if you put more in!

Ken
Just saw on the main BBC website that the limit is being hailed as a success by it's main agents, the LDNPA. Apparently visitors are constantly telling the LDNPA that visiting the lake is a far better experience now... perhaps I could invite a representative from the LDNPA to post a sample of these responses, because they don't reply to anti-ban letters or feedback? In fact, does anyone ever get in touch with them to let them know how pleasant or otherwise a visit to the lake district has been?

Dave Bennison
As I mentioned in an earlier message I am trying to sell my boat at the moment as their isnt anywhere reasonble to use it. I did however go to the River Wyre a couple of weeks ago. This slip way used to be a pleasure to use on the odd occasion. Now if you go during the day on a Sat on Sun it is downright dangerous as their were dozens of ex windermere boats (they still had stickers on) fighting to use the slip way during the narrow tide window. There were people who were clearly had no idea about how to reverse a trailer safely and had no clue about where the sand banks were etc. It is an accident waiting to happen. This is the first year I have seen any problems there. WHEN AN ACCIDENT DOES HAPPEN ON THE WYRE DUE TO OVERCROWDING WE WILL ALL KNOW WHO TO BLAME

Dave Burns
I was on the south shore of Windermere between 3 & 4pm Sunday July 3rd, 3 sail boats! That’s all the traffic I could see all the way up to the car ferry. Can you believe that on a sunny Sunday afternoon in July? Another funny thing was that in the 2 hours I spent walking along the shore line I didn’t come across a single person fishing, walking or canoeing in fact I didn’t meet another living soul. So where are all the people who are supposed to be flocking to Windermere to soak up its new found tranquility? Their not on the lake, their not round the lake, perhaps their not coming after all.

Ken
I haven't been to Bowness this season, but I have been on north lake Windermere on the late May bank holiday weekend. The lake was definitely a lot quieter than the same weekend last year. A few sailing boats along the east shore were taking advantage of the prevailing wind, with very few powerboat users in site. The west shore, particularly around Wray Bay, would have been great for wakeboarding and waterski-ing, but there were no boats of any description using this area. Well, the limit has certainly been effective at removing the fictional conflict, but as it doesn't seem to have increased the number of sailors, rowers, windsurfers, anglers, swimmers, etc, who are obviously well catered for on the other lakes as well, would the LDNPA care to explain what they propose to rectify the dire economic shortfall in the Bowness area for this summer? Will they be rethinking their policy in the Autumn once the full effects can be seen? Given that it has taken 11 years since the public enquiry, couldn't the LDNPA have thought of anything less destructive to business, character and a way of life than this?

Mick Lockwood
I don’t know if anybody has been down to the Wyre recently but it’s getting really dangerous. There isn’t enough room and somebody’s going to get really hurt or a lot worse. It’s no place to take your family ... We have a right to access, and to continue our sport in safety.

James Richards
Sad to say that I no longer visit as often as I did before the ban. I miss the place and have lots of memories of how it was.

jeremy west
We used to visit the lakes about six times a year we havent been since the ban. we live near buxton derbyshire and found the lakes the best place to ski and be, but we will not be coming back until the ban is lifted. Thanks jeremy west

Michael Cameron
Congratulations LDNPA you have your 'peace and tranquility' yesterday I visited the lake for the first time since the ban. The lake and its shores are DEAD. Well done! who wants tourism anyway.

Watersports Enthusiast
Presumably farming in the vicinity of Windermere, sewage discharge into the lake and the annual fair in Bowness will now be stopped to avoid the lake turning "into a noisy and polluted place" as per the comments of a recent respondent? It does make me wonder how familiar the pro-ban lobby are with other land and recreational uses in the area and the impact that they have relative to powered watersports...

Dave Burns
Just like the LDNPA all the people who post on here in favor of the ban are ill informed narrow minded short sighted and self centered. Robert uses the old pollution card without having any understanding of the facts, pollution was never a problem until the ban, but there is now a swimming ban in place due to the masses of blue green algae covering the water. This is entirely due to speed boats no longer oxygenating the water therefore creating a perfect breading ground for the algae. I have yet to hear a sensible well thought out argument in favor of the ban. All we get is "I don’t want", "I don’t like" and uninformed clap trap about pollution and tranquility. Tranquility! I laugh out loud whenever I hear that old chestnut, Bowness is about as tranquil as Blackpool people don’t go to Bowness for tranquility if they want that they go elsewhere in the National Park.

Robert
The Ban on speeding is long overdue, well done a good move in the right direction. What kind of person would want to turn a lake into a noisy polluted place.

Stephen p slater
The ban is an obsolute outrage, the park is supposed to be for everyone to enjoy!! not just wlkers, if they want total silence go to the other 99% of the lake district! , an enquiry must be called for, our human rights have been infringed!! I was stopped on the lake by a @ranger@ he had on board a police officer! is this where we need the police , a good use of tax payers money??? I don't think so!!

Chris
Why do supporters of the ban continue to post on here? they're just showing themselves up as narrow-minded, uneducated fascists and Mr Trunch's post is yet another prime example. I read one previous post that suggested the authorities would be adding gelatine to the water to thicken it thus making it unuseable!!! Unbelievable. It would seem that this is the only country where such an unjust, discriminatory law could allowed to be passed by an unelected group of dictators without an outcry. Comments I've heard from powered water sports ethusiasts from elsewhere range from disgust to disbelief. It really worries me what this country is coming to, in fact to such an extent that I'm considering emigrating. We really need to fight this, not just because we've lost our sports, hobbies and lifestyles but because of what it stands for and what it indicates for our future.

Tom Atodip
I think Mr Trunch had better enjoy his unnecessary passion for traipsing around the countryside before that too is banned. Public control measures(is your journey really necessary for society ?)are already being flaunted. I thought Orwell's 1984 was a novel not a manual.

Watersports Enthusiast
In response to Mr Trunch's comments: 1. If a boat is registered on Windermere, it is not unlicensed for use on the water; 2. Modern powerboats are barely audible from the lakeside (although jetski's are very noisy); 3. If Loch Lomond were to adopt a blanket speed limit, this WOULD displace the problem elsewhere, in spite of your assertions - happily the Lomond and Trossachs National Park Authority are proposing zoning for different types of activity; 4. Who defines which activities are unnecessary? For example, are fellwalking and logging operations not unnecessary and damaging to the environment of a National Park? Lack of tolerance for other activities may ultimately ensure that any hobby is restricted. I would like to assure Mr Trunch that the vast majority of watersports enthusiasts who use the lakes are also lovers of peace and tranquility and do not seek to damage the environment.

Dave
Since when do they crush cars for speeding? If I speed on Windermere I am not "unlicenced" since there are no licences for boats anyway. Neither am I in breach of my insurance. It's just a minor bylaw offence for which I can be fined with no criminal record. The fine is even cheaper on Coniston and Derwent - set by the courts in a recent case at £45.

David Bennison
Hey Ben why dont we ban cars, motorbikes, lake steamers, tourisum, industry, animals and people from the area then it will be really tranquil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go and ask the hotels and shops wheather the aledged extra peace is bring more business. I no for a fact that most shops etc in the area are down on last years takings. All sports boat users want is 1% of the Lake district, windermere is the ideal location as it is not a quiet tranquil place it is a busy noisy tourist area. If you want peace and quiet you can go to any other part of the Lake district. I use the Lakes for climbing, walking, watersking etc and their is definatly room for a compromise. Displacing boat owners will end in serious accidents as people do not want to give up their hobby and they are froced to go out to the coast. This is a much more dangerous enviroment and the potrential for accident is much greater. It will also add addition stress to the RNLI.

Ben Trunch
I hear that people plan to flout this speed restriction. Why not do to the speedboats what they do with unlicenced car. Seize them and crush them! I prefer the peace and traquility, which will now bring more visitors back to the lakes. Hopefully, Loch Lomond will adopt the same speed limits to avoid the problem being displaced elsewhere. I enjoy the British countryside without the noise of these unecessary activities.

sammie
im studying lake windermere and teh speed limit and i for onr think that it is a bad idea. i think maybe they could have restricted certain parts of the lake not all of it, i for one am outraged

David Bennison
It is disgusting that the Speed Limit has been brought in. I am fairly new to the sport but in the few years I have been skiing on Windermere I have never seen any examples of conflict between saliors and powerboat users. If the ban had not come in I would have been looking to buy a new boat this year (approx £15k) which would have been purchased at Sheperds in Windermere. If you also add all the money myself and friends spent through the year on launching fees, petrol, food a few beers at the end of the day etc (approx £3k per year)you soon realise how much revenue the area is losing. I studied Ecology and Consevation Management at Univercity and the LDNPA could do with doing the same as they have not got a clue. PS Because of the ban I am now having to sell my boat as their is nowhere suitable to go watersking in the NW. THANKS TO THE LDNPA FOR DESTROYING MY FAMILYS HOBBY HOPE THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY.

Rebecca Critchlow
The speed limit ban on Lake Windermere is an outrage and the LDNPA should consider carefully that they are turning away all the income that the tourists bring to the lakeside and its residents.

Paul Reed
We are great lovers of Windermere where we have used our boats for many years in a very responsible and considerate way. Since the ban our enjoyment has been seriously impaired to the point where we are reluctantly considering other places to spend our weekends....and our money! What were the LDNPA thinking of when they imposed this rediculous limit? They have killed the local economy and denied responsible, law-abiding people the opportunity to persue their chosen sport. The sooner we have an elected body running the LDNP the better. At least we will have the chance to elect our own representatives to the commitee as they do in democratic countries!

lorraine
Jet skis and powered craft are been forced out off the water by a minority. I have walked in the nationalparks and had hoped to use a jet ski, but now I will not be going back to the lakes. I have great respect for and have worked in conservation so can see things from both sides. Jetskis are no more environmentally detrimental than any other craft. Unfortunately people are led by bias reporting and are determined to ban anything they do not like.If one irresponsible jet skier is seen, then of course, all are tarred with the same brush. That makes those pointing the finger as guilty as those acting dangerously. I do however think that ALL people wishing to use watercraft from rowing boats to jet skis should be made to complete a course for their watercraft so that they how to use it and know the rules of safety, collision avoidance and how to respect other users and the environment. Maybe that way we can preserve our watersports and have places that we can use our craft without people trying to ban them. There is a great need for communication and negotiation between all groups concerned so that the environment and watersports are both protected.

Dave Burns
IF ONLY WE HAD A DEMOCRACY INSTEAD OF A DICTATORSHIP

Mick Lockwood
This is a total disaster, and it’s all down to the short sightedness of the LDNPA. The economy’s going to collapse; somebody needs to take control of this now it’s really getting beyond a joke. Windermere a TOXIC LAKE. I want to know if the LDNPA aren’t going to allow Powered Watercraft to disperse this problem what are they going to do and when ???

Nick-S
A quote from the Environment Agency which just shows that the turbulence in the water column from speedboats could have prevented Windermere from becoming the toxic lake it now is! "It occurs all over the place in all kinds of water bodies and when conditions are right, when it's calm and there's lots of nutrients, then it takes advantage of it and grows."

Anonymous
Some of you may have read the BBC News article entitled: ‘Toxic algae leads to swimming ban’ http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/news/index.shtml A swimming ban is now in place on Windermere because of the rapid growth of toxic algae. Its funny how this has happened now powered water craft have been Banned from the lake, could it be something to do with the fact that powered boats have for years broken up this algae and stopped it from taking over. Now lets see how many tens of thousands it costs the LDNPA to clear this mess up. Money that could be spent on public toilets, or disabled access. Once Windermere gets the reputation as a Toxic Lake its finished. Well done FLD and the LDNPA, you didn’t see this one coming did you? This is a total incompetent sham-bells, somebody needs to step in now with a managed solution before we end up with total economic break down.

Roy
The ban is a total disgrace to the area, we should be moving forward with a managed solution, not backwards. The people with the power ‘LDNPA and the FLD’ should be relieved of their posts and an elected group with clear vision and direction should take over before it’s to late. I’m convinced this committee or whatever you what to call it simply doesn’t have the competence to lead our region into the 21st century! This isn’t a game or a battle between two sides; everybody can see this is idealistic discrimination. The Lake District belongs to everybody, not the deluded Green Party!!

Victim of the LDNPA
Even though it is now obvious what a catastrophic effect the ban is having on the local economy the LDNPA will still refuse to come to the table and discuss a realistic management plan. They have already proved many times over that they have no idea how to manage a budget or run a business and that they are unconcerned about public opinion and the local economy. Thank God they only run the Lake District and not the Country.

Ken
The only vague encouragement I get from the implementation of the speed limit is that watersports enthusiasts and indeed many local residents are bitterly resentful of the enforced loss of recreation and revenue and are determined to fight this until a compromise and managed solution can be found. The limit is in my opinion yet another example of the lack of tolerance for minority interest groups which is pervading British society at the present time. One of the most interesting details in the report on the public enquiry is that the number of objections raised during the enquiry greatly outweighed the number of letters of support. Is this not indicative of the level of support for continuing powered watersports at speeds above 10mph? Objections largely seem to be based on misinformation about noise, environmental issues and antisocial behaviour associated with powered watersports. There are many other recreational activities considered "appropriate" for a National Park which have a far greater impact on the quality of the environment and tranquil experience. Perhaps these in turn will be regulated and banned?

Tony
Results so far this year show the ban to have been a very blunt tool indeed. The lake is empty, the local leisure based economy has pretty much collapsed. When will the appropriate authorities realise they have blundered and seek to implement a managed solution ?

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